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Toon Wolf

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I'm sure there are good reasons for that, but it does come across like any thread where the judgement of the Mods is questioned? That thread gets closed, end of discussion. For instance, I had been asked a question on the "How long is permanent?" thread, but it was closed before I had time to answer the question. Why?

So to answer Boozad's question about what's wrong with the permanent ban of Masterpig, I honestly can't believe from the quote you put up where he supposedly threatened Deutsch that anyone really construed that as a threat of violence. It seems awfully knee-jerk to permanently ban someone for that.

Just my two penneth.

You can now close the thread.
 

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He threatend that his cousin wanted it with DW for calling him a bellend, also naming a place where he would be, this from a new member who nobody knows outside of the forum, so no one has any knowledge of whether it may be some sick joke or as it appears a pretty serious threat.

I wonder if you would be defending someone who had threatened that his cousin wanted it with you?
 

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So to answer Boozad's question about what's wrong with the permanent ban of Masterpig, I honestly can't believe from the quote you put up where he supposedly threatened Deutsch that anyone really construed that as a threat of violence. It seems awfully knee-jerk to permanently ban someone for that.

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You have your opinion others have there own. The Moderators made a call and it was agreed by everyone, not much else to add on to the subject really.

As for threads closing, there is only so much going round and round in circles the Mods can do answering the same questions. This place is here for questions to be asked and reasons to be given. Once that has been done the thread ends.
 

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Well as I have in the past had posts directed at me that could easily have been interpreted as a threat, by a well known poster on this forum, and I didn't call for the person to be banned I think I can say that I would have been the same. I might agree that the offending post should have been deleted and the poster given a ban of some description, but a permanent ban for something that doesn't even come across as a real threat (you did see all the lols didn't you?) seems a bit like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Something which is becoming more commonplace around here recently.
 

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To be fair Toon apart from yhe moonpig incident, there have been so many mind numbingly stupid threads started in the last week or so, it needs someone to clean up the playground now and again.

It seems every time a mod comments on the
weather now, we hve a , the nods are against me thread, at least it's pretty tirsome, a best it's nauseating.

There was some suggestion of an invasion from moli mox, no idea never been on there, but we have a good forum, and keeping complete trolls and idiots in check is beginning to become a full time job it seems to me.
If it's a stupid thread , close it and save the rest of us wasting valuable oxygen.
 

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We close threads when there's nothing else to add.

Believe it or not, we've all got better things to do that spend hours involved in discussions like:

'Why do you do X?'
'Because blah blah blah...'
'I dont think you should have done X'
'OK, but we decided that we needed to do X'
'Fine, but I dont think you should have done X'
'OK, but we decided that we needed to do X'
'Fine, but I dont think you should have done X'
'OK, but we decided that we needed to do X'

There's only so many times you can reiterate the same points before you reach the inescapable conclusion that some posters are more interested in the argument than the reason.
 

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FWIW, I also think MoonPigs perma-ban was a bit harsh. I believe the offending post was removed, but Im told he didn't threaten DW, his cousin did. Now Moonpig has been on here under a different name and explained the situation. Not exactly his fault if his cousin takes umbrage at something Dan wrote. If he had instructed his cousin to go down and batter Dan thats a different story, but as far as I can gather, it all seems like handbags at high noon and chances are if DW and Moonpigs cousin came face to face, nothing would happen. There are many guests on the Forum at all times, who knows who they could be, and who they could be friends with.....

Im not condoning any threat towards DW or violence of any kind, but at the end of the day, no violence occurred, and the poster in question has come on to try and explain himself and the situation. The ban seems harsh. If there are factors that Im not aware of, then I will happily retract all of this.
 

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Personally I don't give a shit, he's been banned and if people don't like the way the forum is been moderated then if there is another vote then you can vote us out or stop posting.

We have better things to do with our time than explain our actions.
 

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I think the mods need to sort this out amongst themselves. When the forum was set up there was all this talk about transparency and that extended to enabling and allowing discussion of the mods decisions. Now, on the back of some interesting decisions, there is a reluctance to enter into that debate.

I'm quite happy for it to be "mod's decisions are final and not up for discussion" but me thinks you need to have it one way or the other.
 

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I agree with TSB there - transparency and discussion of decisions is a good thing - but there comes a point where you have to be able to say "Thats the decision, end of discussion". Mods are voted for, and so you have the implied permission of the members to behave in the manner you see as best helping the forum.

There's too much questioning and complaining at the moment, people need to shut up and move on - when its voting time again they can make their point and become mods themselves.

Strong, consistent modding is a good thing.
 

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There is far too much mod questioning. Democracy sucks

I agree with TSB there - transparency and discussion of decisions is a good thing - but there comes a point where you have to be able to say "Thats the decision, end of discussion". Mods are voted for, and so you have the implied permission of the members to behave in the manner you see as best helping the forum.

There's too much questioning and complaining at the moment, people need to shut up and move on - when its voting time again they can make their point and become mods themselves.

Strong, consistent modding is a good thing.

Over zealous moderating is not though. And I know that was one of the criticisms of other forums that this one so prided itself as being different about when it was first set up. And if this forum really wants to pride itself on being different to other forums then it needs to think about whether knee-jerk bannings and threads being closed left, right and centre is the way forward. And as for the discussion about Masterpig? I neither know the guy nor really care one way or another for him personally, but even murderers have a right of appeal and his banning for what amounted to (or seemed to amount to) not very much is a bit of a slippery slope. Are we going to ban everyone for things like that (yet let people who post racist jokes be moderators)? Some double standards at work and as is the norm lately, the Mods seem to pull up the drawbridge and go on the defensive as soon as any questions are raised. As Saturday Boy said, you can't have it both ways and promote the forum as something different and where discussion is encouraged and then close threads and ban people as soon as an apparently harsh decision is questioned.

As for the assertion that you have better things to do with your time than explain your actions, maybe if more thought was given to your actions and their repercussions you wouldn't have so much explaining to do. Let's face it, a forum is for the people who post on it, not for a few people to stamp their authority over it; without the people who contribute, on the whole very sensibly and with a reasonable degree of self moderation, it wouldn't be much of a forum at all.

And FWIW, I voted in the Mod vote and I voted for someone who I thought took a very sensible and pragmatic approach to moderating, not someone who was conspicuous in their moderating, they did it with subtlety and understatement. That's the way I think the forum should be moderated. If that's not the way you want to operate now, it's a shame and maybe I'll look elsewhere for my discussion with other Wolves fans (I can hear the celebratory cheers as I type)...
 

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Toon, if you're that unhappy with the way the forum is being moderated I would have thought the best thing to do would be to put yourself up for election next time.

Sometimes I feel you're against the moderators as opposed to the moderating. And honestly, as for explaining actions it's been done already regarding the Masterpig ban.
 
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