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Cardiff 2 - 0 Wolves: Piss Poor in the Pissing Rain Verdict Thread

A few thoughts, as most of what I want/need to say has been covered by other posters but…

Iorfa, EEL and Hause all have futures in the game – big ones in two out of three cases – but put them together with Stearman in a back four and it’s a disaster: Tony Pulis-lite.

If Golbourne isn’t the answer at LB then we have ten days to buy someone or find out if Deslandes is good enough. Because KH is definitely not the answer – he’s never going to get forward and deliver crosses.

At one point in the commentary, Goodman said that Wolves average 1.9 points a game when Dicko starts and 0.6 when he doesn’t. Come on, Kenny, how can Edwards/Afobe possibly be a better combination that Afobe/Dicko?

But most worryingly, our manager seems to have lost the plot. Someone posted that the players weren’t playing for him yesterday and that looked depressingly accurate. Quite clearly both goalkeepers are now short of confidence. I suspect lack of confidence was behind Ikeme’s moment of stupidity.

KMac clearly wants to go, something must have gone wrong with VLP’s summer, Afobe looked pissed off yesterday, KJ may well have fallen out with Dicko. The only constant in the mess at the moment is Duracell Dave, doing what Duracell Dave does.

Kenny has never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but his man management has always been good. But if that deserts him then he’s going to look a very limited manager. What galls me is to see “Keep it Simple” Mick sitting at the top of the league. We have four points, and three of those were a lucky win against a team in the bottom three.

Yesterday was just dire, or whatever comes after dire on the Wolves scale of crapness. No plan, no fight, no organisation, no talent, no nothing. We are a million miles off promotion in what – once again – looks like being a pretty poor Championship.
 
yep that's about right Norman we look a mess its early days but I am worried we look a poor side on yesterdays display and the second half on Wednesday. Ameobi when he came on looked head and shoulders above our lot yesterday but when it looked like us signing him the experts on here were saying how absolute crap he was. At least he looked like he could beat a player unlike some of our so called wingers. Rant over
 
I thought I'd calm down if I slept on it but I'm still seething at that performance yesterday. Shambolic. Can't think of a single positive performance.
 
I thought I'd calm down if I slept on it but I'm still seething at that performance yesterday. Shambolic. Can't think of a single positive performance.

Kenny's thoughts - more diplomatic than your view but sounds pretty pissed off

 
Kenny has to take responsibility for this. You don't change your keeper for the third time. You don't change two of your back four so early, and then change the system completely.

Smacks of blind panic
 
That was as bad as we have played for a long time, but with only four games gone there is plenty of time to turn things around. Jackett needs to stop messing around with players, positions and tactics, and also needs to settle his feud with Dicko. We have good players and are a good team, but yesterday was very poor. It needs sorting out now.
 
I think KJ needs to sort out his defence first and foremost. we are not only conceding a lot of goals , but stupid goveaways at that.

Chopping and changing the back four and keeper so early in the season is just asking for trouble, so he has to stop it, choose his best defence and go with it for a run of games.

If that means Pricey in the two in front of the back four with Coady then so be it.
 
I'm personally finding some of the comments on here and on social media are again going OTT - and I think it's because I feel less and less worked up by football recently. Yet I get more frustrated by the lack of patience strewn throughout the game as time goes on. The bad results (or performances) just don't seem to get me that worked up - certainly not 12 hours after the event.

Yesterday was a crap performance devoid of any quality, and not a single player can hold their heads up after that. I don't for one moment blame anyone for being angry and frustrated with it. It was painful to watch - but I then read people questioning the manager, questioning the recruitment this summer and wonder why such opinions have changed so much after less than a week?

Players lose form and confidence, but they don't become surplus to requirements after a very forgettable game and a half that is below the standards we've set ourselves.

We don't need a new centre half
It's ridiculously early to write off Ojo (most people thought he was a good signing - I've now read comments saying it's now the opposite for some odd reason)
We've tried to play a different system so far this season with differing results - yet people weren't happy we didn't have a 'plan B' last season. It'll take time, the first 2.5 games showed enough positives - personally I'd rather we went to the system that worked for us best last season but having an alternative way of playing is no bad thing.
We have the likes of Batth and Wallace yet to play this season and I'm hoping both will improve us

I don't blame the system yesterday - I blame the players on the pitch. Because they were all shit. Yep, it's KJ's job to motivate them and get them working hard so collectively, they all need to share the blame and work hard to get it right for next time. Which I think they will.

Sometimes it seems that we're simply not allowed to play badly without it being dissected in minute detail and every shortcoming (plenty yesterday, admittedly) is blown out of all proportion. And yes - I know that's exactly what a forum is for but like I say - I find it harder to get that worked up by it all nowadays.

Anyway - my line up for the next game:

Ikeme; Iorfa, EEL, Stearman, Golbourne; VLP, Price, Coady, Ojo; Afobe, Dicko

Hopefully Walace and Batth will be back in the reckoning soon.
 
From Langers>>>>>Anyway - my line up for the next game:

Ikeme; Iorfa, EEL, Stearman, Golbourne; VLP, Price, Coady, Ojo; Afobe, Dicko

Hopefully Walace and Batth will be back in the reckoning soon.

I would go with that.
 
I just can't see how anybody could be surprised by this performance and result. Results have flattered us so far this season. If Edwards hadn't punched the ball into Blackburns net, and McGregor hadn't dropped the ball into his own net, we would be sitting on one point from 12 which would be an accurate reflection on performances.

We have zero cutting edge up front, no creativity in the middle of the field, no width, and any random 5 chosen from 10 at the back that might least resemble deers caught in headlights on any given day.
 
I'm personally finding some of the comments on here and on social media are again going OTT - and I think it's because I feel less and less worked up by football recently. Yet I get more frustrated by the lack of patience strewn throughout the game as time goes on. The bad results (or performances) just don't seem to get me that worked up - certainly not 12 hours after the event.

Yesterday was a crap performance devoid of any quality, and not a single player can hold their heads up after that. I don't for one moment blame anyone for being angry and frustrated with it. It was painful to watch - but I then read people questioning the manager, questioning the recruitment this summer and wonder why such opinions have changed so much after less than a week?

Players lose form and confidence, but they don't become surplus to requirements after a very forgettable game and a half that is below the standards we've set ourselves.

We don't need a new centre half
It's ridiculously early to write off Ojo (most people thought he was a good signing - I've now read comments saying it's now the opposite for some odd reason)
We've tried to play a different system so far this season with differing results - yet people weren't happy we didn't have a 'plan B' last season. It'll take time, the first 2.5 games showed enough positives - personally I'd rather we went to the system that worked for us best last season but having an alternative way of playing is no bad thing.
We have the likes of Batth and Wallace yet to play this season and I'm hoping both will improve us

I don't blame the system yesterday - I blame the players on the pitch. Because they were all shit. Yep, it's KJ's job to motivate them and get them working hard so collectively, they all need to share the blame and work hard to get it right for next time. Which I think they will.

Sometimes it seems that we're simply not allowed to play badly without it being dissected in minute detail and every shortcoming (plenty yesterday, admittedly) is blown out of all proportion. And yes - I know that's exactly what a forum is for but like I say - I find it harder to get that worked up by it all nowadays.

Anyway - my line up for the next game:

Ikeme; Iorfa, EEL, Stearman, Golbourne; VLP, Price, Coady, Ojo; Afobe, Dicko

Hopefully Walace and Batth will be back in the reckoning soon.

I am quite moderate in my views. Not today, and the blame lies solely at the feet of Jackett.

Changing the goalkeeper 3 times is Sunday league stuff. How on earth can either of them settle into their role, with the threat of dropping hanging over them? Ridiculous. This in turn unsettles a young and inexperienced defence and leads to errors. Then changing two personnel (one player one positional) on top of another goalkeeping change smacks of panic, and smacks of incompetence. A strong word, yes, but earned yesterday.

Pick a back 4 and a keeper and drill them, tell them the shirt is theirs for 10 games, regardless of errors made. Let them settle into their positions, let them form partnerships, let them trust one another.

A good team starts from the back, and doing the above will at least lay the foundation for a solid team.

I'm happy enough with Coady, I do however feel that with such a formation, we would be better playing another man in the middle. I would play Price in the anchor role, giving Coady and Kmac the licence to roam a bit more, giving them the freedom to influence matters higher up the pitch. The Kmac issue needs to be resolved now as he isn't the same player he was last season. Give him the security he wants, or move him on.

Afobe has to play as he's our best player IMO. Dicko, when his head is in the game, is a nuisance and must be so difficult to play against. Edwards is offering most of our goal threat, although granted he isn't the most technical player in the world.

In this formation, The full backs offer the width, so have to be proficient going forward, as well as going back. With Price in this formation it offers them a bit more protection to get forward. It seems at times we are so easy to play against, and compared to last year this is a huge concern.

We haven't been all bad this year, indeed the first 40 mins against QPR were excellent. But yesterday was plain awful. No more, no less.

I don't trust RVLP to start, ever, and Ojo looks promising,but raw. Wallace is now available so he has to come in to the reckoning.

We have to concentrate on getting the shape right and the players need that time to get it right. Jackett needs to stop bloody tinkering, stick with a system, and give the players a chance.

Otherwise, this season may as well be written off.
 
Of course there's loads of football to play and a long way to go etc etc. But there's the other cliche as well - you can't win the league in August but you can lose it (or the play-offs) and as DejaVu rightly says, the current league position may well flatter us. Right now Kenny is managing like someone who's just loaded Football Manager for the first time and hasn't bothered to read the instruction book
 
The back four is cause for concern, 6/7 goals we've conceded have been very much avoidable. I agree with Bath in the side he has a more commanding presence and is more of a leader than Stearmen or the others are.
But it does highlight a possible lack of depth in the defensive area.
 
Is he balls. He rarely organises anything.
 
Luckily none of the above suggested by Alan will happen, folks. (apart from the van la Parra one, maybe)

I'd be considering "resting" McDonald personally. Play Price & Coady. Price offers the protection, Coady can drift forward & shoot from distance.
 
I never said it wasn't ok to disagree, hence my post disagreeing with you.
 
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