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Problem is when people start acting as though Covid-19 is akin to the bubonic plague. If it didn't kill people who are old or have underlying, no one would have batted an eyelid. Once all the vulnerable are vaccinated, the worst that's likely to happen to those still waiting is not much worse than a bad cold. (And, yes, I know there are exceptions, which is why I said likely. It's not likely I'll fall downstairs and kill myself today, but someone, somewhere will.) I've every sympathy for the extra workload, but trying to portray the classroom as some kind of existential biohazard is OTT imo.
We need to keep cases managed until we've done all 9 groups imho.
 

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I swear, some of you are deliberately ignoring points that have been made previously.

1. Spreading fastest in primary school age.

2. No PPE of ANY kind in primary schools (just open some fucking windows, eh?)

3. Staff in small rooms, with 30+ other households, little to no possibility of social distancing with 5-9 year olds, they don't do it.

I get it. You don't think it's fair that they should get the vaccine before anyone else. You want your kids back in school because you're sick of having them at home. You have completely been bought by the Tory media machine hype that cranked into overdrive demanding schools reopen.

I get it. Fuck teachers, they can take one for the team. You're a lovely fucking bunch...
 

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I swear, some of you are deliberately ignoring points that have been made previously.

1. Spreading fastest in primary school age.

2. No PPE of ANY kind in primary schools (just open some fucking windows, eh?)

3. Staff in small rooms, with 30+ other households, little to no possibility of social distancing with 5-9 year olds, they don't do it.

I get it. You don't think it's fair that they should get the vaccine before anyone else. You want your kids back in school because you're sick of having them at home. You have completely been bought by the Tory media machine hype that cranked into overdrive demanding schools reopen.

I get it. Fuck teachers, they can take one for the team. You're a lovely fucking bunch...
Would you cite some sources instead of just ranting please?
 

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I'm not at risk, I work outside. But if you think mask wearing isnt helpful, why is it deemed necessary everywhere EXCEPT in schools?
I was assuming you were suggesting teachers should be given more PPE.

I assumed they were wearing a mask (why wouldn’t they be?). So I asked what extra you’d like them to be given? Is is just the kids wearing masks too?
 

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JCVI does not favour prioritising key workers in phase two of vaccine rollout, MPs told
Labour’s Zarah Sultana asks Prof Anthony Harnden, deputy chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, if the JCVI has considered prioritising teachers for the vaccine.

Harnden says the JCVI is only an advisory body.

He says it has considered this in the course of drawing up its recommendations for phase two (the vaccination programme for the under-50s). He says they have looked at this issue quite carefully. But he says the ONS data shows that teachers are not at any higher risk than other members of the population. Some other professions are more at risk, he says.

"So in terms of the disease, there isn’t a strong scientific argument to immunise teachers [unless they qualify by age, or underlying health condition."


FWIW I'd certainly be in favour of the likes of teachers, supermarket staff etc (i.e. those that have multiple general public touchpoints) being vaccinated before the likes of me who often goes days without seeing another adult human
 

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From 6 days ago, not some link to an article from last year. The rest I know from experience of being in schools. What's your experience of being in a school during the pandemic?
Surely the reason for the prevalence in 5-12 year olds is because children are still attending school due to keyworker commitments? They are mixing far more than any other part of society.

So, has this caused an increase in teachers who are teaching these children to suffer more negative consequences?

You also underplay how effective ventilation is in reducing risk.

This is from the ECDC and worth reading

 

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I swear, some of you are deliberately ignoring points that have been made previously.

1. Spreading fastest in primary school age.

2. No PPE of ANY kind in primary schools (just open some fucking windows, eh?)

3. Staff in small rooms, with 30+ other households, little to no possibility of social distancing with 5-9 year olds, they don't do it.

I get it. You don't think it's fair that they should get the vaccine before anyone else. You want your kids back in school because you're sick of having them at home. You have completely been bought by the Tory media machine hype that cranked into overdrive demanding schools reopen.

I get it. Fuck teachers, they can take one for the team. You're a lovely fucking bunch...
Where are you getting your food from? Your deliveries? Your takeaway coffee & food? Those people have been working all the way through and are generally on minimum wage with pretty much no PPE.

I am a former teacher too and still have plenty of friends who are teachers - its not fuck teachers, its just that they are no more at risk than others.
 

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I was assuming you were suggesting teachers should be given more PPE.

I assumed they were wearing a mask (why wouldn’t they be?). So I asked what extra you’d like them to be given? Is is just the kids wearing masks too?
Teachers do not wear masks, no. Only when having possible contact with other adults such as at the school gate.
 

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Teachers do not wear masks, no. Only when having possible contact with other adults such as at the school gate.
Well that’s just stupid then isn’t it?

Edit - so you want them to have more PPE (there is literally nothing beyond a mask), but they don’t wear the PPE they do have.
 
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Teachers do not wear masks, no. Only when having possible contact with other adults such as at the school gate.
That's changing now though? I thought the govt were advising that mask wearing in schools be recommended now?
 

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Masks are there to protect others though - if teachers only come into contact with others wearing masks then they are protected.
 

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Second paragraph in the abstract is interesting, it suggests, to me anyway, that infections in teachers is more driven by their interactions outside of school.
 

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Johnson & Johnson said that in South Africa, their one dose covid vaccine reduced severe or critical Covid-19 by 81.7% starting 28 days after vaccination.

The company stated the vaccine efficacy was not affected by the high prevalence of another variant in Brazil.

This vaccine set for approval in the USA in the next few days. We shouldn't be far behind them
 
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