I agree. It was always suggested in the alternative media that the vaccines would not prevent transmission etc etc and the damage that lockdowns would do. Anybody who argued the opposite was a nutcase. All this despite the claims of the ' experts ' that promoted the global narrative. People lost their jobs on these claims and the fallout has only just begun. Many people will have an ' ideal ' a safe, cosy ideal to which everything must fit regardless and where evidence and rationality flies out of the window.
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I agree. It was always suggested in the alternative media that the vaccines would not prevent transmission etc etc and the damage that lockdowns would do. Anybody who argued the opposite was a nutcase. All this despite the claims of the ' experts ' that promoted the global narrative. People lost their jobs on these claims and the fallout has only just begun. Many people will have an ' ideal ' a safe, cosy ideal to which everything must fit regardless and where evidence and rationality flies out of the window.
Rishi thinks it a mistake to ' empower scientists'.
So was printing billions out of thin air and increasing the national debt.
It was a unanimous consensus in the commons - some would have gone harder and faster.
Thankfully soon the WHO will be in charge of pandemic controls - that'll be interesting.
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So was printing billions out of thin air and increasing the national debt.
It was a unanimous consensus in the commons - some would have gone harder and faster.
Thankfully soon the WHO will be in charge of pandemic controls - that'll be interesting.
Sunak says it was a mistake to ‘empower scientists’ during Covid pandemic
Ex-chancellor admits being furious about school closures, adding trade-offs of lockdowns were not properly considered by experts
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Not doing that printing billions would have meant about fifteen million having to breach lockdown to go to work which would have spread the thing further and faster than with furlough in place.
You really need to buy some bacofoil to wrap your head.
You really need to buy some bacofoil to wrap your head.
£450 Billion
No need to discuss the flawed reasoning (such as the modelling) or the wastage. It is quite evident and the horrific fallout is now apparent.
The fear they promoted was unforgiveable. The claims that the vaccine stopped transmission were lies and the mandates were immoral. They are now starting to throw each other under the bus ( because they were wrong ).
The over 80's and those comorbid were/are vulnerable ( much like they are to most viruses that have existed )
Anybody qualified to voice a concern or who reasoned against lockdown was cancelled by the mainstream/social media. Where there is only one truth (which happens to be the global narrative) we are in an extremely bad situation. You ain't seen nothing yet.
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Do we really have to put up with your conspiracy theory bollocks on here?
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Just pop him on ignore.
Most people can make up their own minds when presented with both sides of a debate.
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It's not really a debate when one side has been proven to be wrong time and time again. Particularly when it's come from a source like Fox news.
Lockdowns caused far more harm than good and the claims that vaccines prevented transmission were wrong. Mandating vaccines was wrong. There has been dissent in Parliaments all over the world.
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I may have been looking in all the wrong places but at no point did I read the vaccines would prevent transmission*. My knowledge on them was simply they will help protect me should I get the virus.
*Not counting Bob and co on Twitter. I am talking from legitimate sources and experts
*Not counting Bob and co on Twitter. I am talking from legitimate sources and experts
And you are free to decide much like I am.
I think that’s the thing, statistics were showing fatalities which evidentially proved it was the very elderly or at risk groups that were mostly dying, but couldn’t portray the severity of the illness on the less at risk groups hospitalised who eventually pulled through thanks only to the heroic efforts of the medical staff treating them.
I still find it bizarre that anyone wouldn’t have a vaccine to A) lessen the affect and give yourself a much greater chance of surviving should you get Covid - and B) reduce the unnecessary burden you would place on the health service.
I dunno, it just feels like we’ve all got to take some responsibility and help out where we can. The avoidance of responsibility of some and their subsequent sense of entitlement to treatment without giving a shit about the impact on both the health care system itself or the poor bastards having to work in extreme conditions just to keep them alive, just seems to me to be selfish in the extreme.
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Utter drivel. Lockdowns were absolutely necessary until vaccines could be developed. Vaccines only reduced risk of serious illness and death, they were never designed to prevent transmission, though they did help reduce it in some cases.
That sort of misinformation is why people died, because they arrogantly refused to be vaccinated and thought they knew better than the best scientists on the planet.
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The importance of B cannot be stressed enough. We were dealing with an unknown quantity. The fear of people on the front line was plain to see.
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Quite.
Someone I knew died of it in the early days (March 2020) before the vaccine, he was 45. A schoolfriend died from it earlier this year at 51, he was all over Facebook with his conspiracy theories and sneering at folk taking the vaccine and even refused it once hospitalised. My 74 year old F-I-L who suffers from ill health, including COPD, was hospitalised with it last November, fully vaxed and made a full recovery. Had it again recently but nowhere near as severe.
At no stage did they claim that the vaccine prevented catching or transmitting the disease, just that it greatly enhanced your chances if you caught it.
Saying that, I'm delighted to see most places are completely back to normal and only the odd person bothers with a mask now.
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The hospital I worked at was on it's knees during lockdown. 450 ish out off 600 ish beds had a covid positive patient at one point which I thought was bonkers, probably more relevant, all 20 odd intensive care beds were positive for a long time. Now it floats around 50 and zero intensive care for a while now. So I guess the vaccines worked. Just a mad situation
Agree on masks though! Finally got to stop wearing one today (in office and corridors - wards still required)
Agree on masks though! Finally got to stop wearing one today (in office and corridors - wards still required)
