Cost of Living

[Johnny75]

If ever there was an opportunity to divest from fossil fuel & implement massive investment in renewables this is it. The returns would be awesome I am sure!

There is a government white paper out which is very interesting on how energy should have a varied baseload and what that should be.

Nuclear and renewables should be 60% on any given day and look to battery storage first rather than burning gas.

Of course that far cunt is fucking useless and has done fuck all about it.

Hopefully the next cunt in power will look at it.

 

[AndyWolves]

Does anyone know much about using hydrogen cars? It seems much more practical than EV cars

 

[Keef]

JCB are going big on hydrogen, they reckon it’s the solution for big Diesel engine replacement.
Harry’s garage on YouTube did a really good video on it

 

[lemonjelly]

There is a government white paper out which is very interesting on how energy should have a varied baseload and what that should be.

Nuclear and renewables should be 60% on any given day and look to battery storage first rather than burning gas.

Of course that far cunt is fucking useless and has done fuck all about it.

Hopefully the next cunt in power will look at it.

I'd go further. I don't believe nuclear is clean enough. I also can't see why we cannot access 90% plus from green renewables, wind, solar, tidal & so on.
We need a massive shift away from fossils, & need to invest in that infrastructure.
We also need to do this to reduce the excessive influence fossil fuel companies have.

 

[Johnny75]

I'd go further. I don't believe nuclear is clean enough. I also can't see why we cannot access 90% plus from green renewables, wind, solar, tidal & so on.
We need a massive shift away from fossils, & need to invest in that infrastructure.
We also need to do this to reduce the excessive influence fossil fuel companies have.

It's a nice idea but sadly infrastructure and the world doesn't work that way.

Renewables on their own aren't reliable enough, you need a baseload and nuclear is the cleanest by a stretch.

 

[Tredman]

Does anyone know much about using hydrogen cars? It seems much more practical than EV cars

Nah, too dangerous and needs too much infrastructure development. May happen for home heating using the existing HP and MP grid depending on the current testing.

Answer to both problems are better batteries..

 

[AndyWolves]

What about a big drive to increase renewables to the point we are generating excess and use the excess for hydrogen production. Use the hydrogen for when it's not sunny / windy?

Is that unrealistic?

 

[Johnny75]

What about a big drive to increase renewables to the point we are generating excess and use the excess for hydrogen production. Use the hydrogen for when it's not sunny / windy?

Is that unrealistic?

In short no, the wind farms and solar panels we use aren't effector enough yet.

I'm sure there are people trying to improve those as well as looking at tidal energy and pyrolysis (recycling oil in plastics without pollution).

Will take decades though. Much like our industrial Revolution.

 

[Tredman]

What about a big drive to increase renewables to the point we are generating excess and use the excess for hydrogen production. Use the hydrogen for when it's not sunny / windy?

Is that unrealistic?

Think I had this conversation on here recently but yes it’s possible. NI Water have started doing it with the Hydrogen used for transport and the Oxygen for treatment. That said in any transfer process there are always losses.. directly electricity storage is more efficient.

 

[Keef]

Nah, too dangerous and needs too much infrastructure development. May happen for home heating using the existing HP and MP grid depending on the current testing.

Answer to both problems are better batteries..

Can’t be much more dangerous than going to a place in the high street or supermarket that stores inflammable liquid in big tanks underground, and letting thousands of untrained people daily transfer it into the cars they drive

 

[Doctor Doog]

Before this shoots too far off from reality, here's my two penn'orth based on 30+ years in the automotive industry. There are two ways you can use hydrogen to power vehicles. The first is hydrogen fuel cells - essentially a battery that reacts hydrogen and oxygen to produce water and energy. I believe this is Jolemai's area of expertise. JCB are keen on hydrogen combustion; hydrogen engines are feasible, the technology is fairly niche, but there are hydrogen engine programmes going on throughout the industry. Both technologies need a hydrogen infrastructure - this can only happen using green hydrogen i.e. electrolysis of water, this isn't yet state of the art, and will rely on renewable energy. There will be a transition through blue hydrogen, made from natural gas, this technology is well developed. The hydrogen used in vehicles is compressed, and with the right regulations in place is no more dangerous than petrol - there have been fuel cell vehicles running round for ages. The biggest problem, specifically for passenger vehicles is the physical infrastructure for roadside re-fuelling. This is less of a problem for heavy duty commercial vehicles, which are mostly re-fuelled at the depots - this possibly explains a lot of the JCB interest. There is a view that fuel cells will be the prime solution for trucks and buses in the US.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Infrastructure could be a massive problem for the likes of JCB surely, big plant often operates on remote/undeveloped sites that won't have access to proper refueling equipment.

 

[Tredman]

Can’t be much more dangerous than going to a place in the high street or supermarket that stores inflammable liquid in big tanks underground, and letting thousands of untrained people daily transfer it into the cars they drive

Yes it can.

 

[The Bear]

Electric is the (near) future. The infrastructure is already there and expanding.

The key is how you generate that electricity. Once we can find a stable clean eneglrgy source, preferably fusion, then everything else is easy.

 

[Kenny]

Wife has ordered her new company car today and is binning the petrol and going electric. Shame we probably won't see the car until the end of next year mind

 

[AndyWolves]

I'm still not convinced by the longevity of batteries. Are they really an option to be mass produced for every vehicle and replaced every so often?

 

[Johnny75]

Electric is the (near) future. The infrastructure is already there and expanding.

The key is how you generate that electricity. Once we can find a stable clean eneglrgy source, preferably fusion, then everything else is easy.

Fusion would be great but again it's like pyrolysis, just not in our lifetime if at all.

 

[lemonjelly]

If we shifted investment & subsidies away from fossil fuel production into renewables (non-nuclear) we could kick start a new renewable revolution.

 

[Johnny75]

If we shifted investment & subsidies away from fossil fuel production into renewables (non-nuclear) we could kick start a new renewable revolution.

No.

 

[Tredman]

I'm still not convinced by the longevity of batteries. Are they really an option to be mass produced for every vehicle and replaced every so often?

There are OG Leafs out there still on their original batteries, in fact there is a large market of people actively trying to buy old leaf batteries for home use.