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"Doing a Wolves"...

Toon Wolf

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I've just heard Harry Redknapp talking about QPR and saying that with their squad they have more chance of "doing a Wolves" and being relegated to League One than winning promotion at the first time of asking. Do we think that successive relegations from here on out will be known as "doing a Wolves"? I know other teams have done it but have any of them ever managed it from a position of financial security or without points deductions etc? Maybe Morgan, Moxey, Saunders etc will at least have their own legacy and 'doing a Wolves' will become a phrase in the annuls of football history...

And yes I'm aware that there's an extra 'n' and 'l' that shouldn't be there.
 

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A few years ago "doing a Wolves" was seen as running a successful football team whilst making a profit.

In 12 months time it will another club that replaces us as a "doing a"

Like it was doing a Leeds, then doing a Portsmouth etc for teams that spent there way to relegation someone will take our name for a club that fucks it up from a good position
 

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A few years ago "doing a Wolves" was seen as running a successful football team whilst making a profit.

In 12 months time it will another club that replaces us as a "doing a"

Like it was doing a Leeds, then doing a Portsmouth etc for teams that spent there way to relegation someone will take our name for a club that fucks it up from a good position

Likely true, but those teams mentioned had legitimate financial reasons for their meltdowns, and both had points deductions. Has there been a team that has imploded so badly without financial mismanagement? You could look at those teams and say that given the positions they were in when relegated that successive relegations was a realistic concern. There's no way that thought entered anyone's heads about Wolves. Hell, you'd have been safer predicting that scenario for Birmingham given their financial strife, or Blackburn or even Bolton. All of them made more sense as a team to slip down to League One. "Doing a Wolves" may yet become synonymous with a previously unimaginable collapse.
 

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It might to be fair. We absolutely should never have been in any position like this.
 

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We shouldn't be in this position and we wouldn't have been if Mick McCarthy was still in charge.

Changing the man who you think took us into this mess Toon has led to us being this mess.
 

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We shouldn't be in this position and we wouldn't have been if Mick McCarthy was still in charge.

Changing the man who you think took us into this mess Toon has led to us being this mess.

I think that has some truth and legitimacy to a certain extent. Though I'd argue that at the time we sacked McCarthy, a) he deserved to be sacked and b) it was the appalling mismanagement of replacing him that has been the true reason for the collapse.

When I and many others were calling for McCarthy to be replaced it wasn't with the Championship or League One in mind. Mick was almost for certain taking us down last season and the calls to replace him from me were for him to be replaced with a man who could establish us in the PL and allow us to progress and eventually challenge there, something I believed then and still believe now McCarthy was fundamentally incapable of doing. Keeping McCarthy would have never led to this situation now, you are probably right, but keeping him was also never going to see us improve from what what we were at the time we sacked him- PL relegation battlers.

Would I choose that over this? Of course. Should it have ever have come to this? Not a fucking chance.

And I still firmly believe that the foundations for this mess were laid by Mick. True, a lot of mock Tudor frontage has been added subsequently, but the foundations and the cornerstones are the laughably inept squad he left behind and the abominable culture of non-football that is ingrained throughout the team that he purveyed as virtues.
 

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I think that has some truth and legitimacy to a certain extent. Though I'd argue that at the time we sacked McCarthy, a) he deserved to be sacked and b) it was the appalling mismanagement of replacing him that has been the true reason for the collapse.

When I and many others were calling for McCarthy to be replaced it wasn't with the Championship or League One in mind. Mick was almost for certain taking us down last season and the calls to replace him from me were for him to be replaced with a man who could establish us in the PL and allow us to progress and eventually challenge there, something I believed then and still believe now McCarthy was fundamentally incapable of doing. Keeping McCarthy would have never led to this situation now, you are probably right, but keeping him was also never going to see us improve from what what we were at the time we sacked him- PL relegation battlers.

Would I choose that over this? Of course. Should it have ever have come to this? Not a fucking chance.

And I still firmly believe that the foundations for this mess were laid by Mick. True, a lot of mock Tudor frontage has been added subsequently, but the foundations and the cornerstones are the laughably inept squad he left behind and the abominable culture of non-football that is ingrained throughout the team that he purveyed as virtues.

Can't really argue with any of that....I still think the reason we hung onto him for as long as we did was because of his previous track record of turning things around.

I dunno, the players just seemed to stop trying in that third season, maybe they thought they had made it as premier league players and didnt need to work as hard anymore.....who knows, but something changed. Downward momentum is one thing but what we have seen is on another level, we should have bottomed out long before we ended up in league 1, regardless of any lack of quality within our squad.

I hope one day we find out what really has gone on, somebody, somewhere knows the reasons I suspect.
 

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I think that has some truth and legitimacy to a certain extent. Though I'd argue that at the time we sacked McCarthy, a) he deserved to be sacked and b) it was the appalling mismanagement of replacing him that has been the true reason for the collapse.

When I and many others were calling for McCarthy to be replaced it wasn't with the Championship or League One in mind. Mick was almost for certain taking us down last season and the calls to replace him from me were for him to be replaced with a man who could establish us in the PL and allow us to progress and eventually challenge there, something I believed then and still believe now McCarthy was fundamentally incapable of doing. Keeping McCarthy would have never led to this situation now, you are probably right, but keeping him was also never going to see us improve from what what we were at the time we sacked him- PL relegation battlers.

Would I choose that over this? Of course. Should it have ever have come to this? Not a $#@!ing chance.

And I still firmly believe that the foundations for this mess were laid by Mick. True, a lot of mock Tudor frontage has been added subsequently, but the foundations and the cornerstones are the laughably inept squad he left behind and the abominable culture of non-football that is ingrained throughout the team that he purveyed as virtues.

One of the best posts I've ever read on here. He should have been gone a long time before he did. Well said.
 

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That's the most lucid argument I've seen you make Toon. Well said.
 
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