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I think there's an element of rose-tinting going on, we all know Jota is a spectacular player when he's on form (as he is right now, indeed he was superb for Portugal vs Croatia before we sold him) but it seems to be forgotten how much he frustrates when he isn't. There isn't much of an in between with him.

I think Podence is a much better option for us on the left of a front three. Neto is either his equal or not far off at this point, just needs a few more goals, and he might end up being better.

As BGreen says, if we were playing a front two regularly then you wouldn't want to sell him and directly replace him with Fabio (at this point), but we don't and we won't.
 

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Carl Robinson the new manager of Western Sydney Wanderers. Kenny Miller his assistant.
 

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Ahem, it's Kenny f*****g Miller, at least in our house, fifteen years on I should have got over it by now
 
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I think there's an element of rose-tinting going on, we all know Jota is a spectacular player when he's on form (as he is right now, indeed he was superb for Portugal vs Croatia before we sold him) but it seems to be forgotten how much he frustrates when he isn't. There isn't much of an in between with him.

Spot on.

I would go as far as to say he's been below average for the majority of the last 18 months. When he's good, he's very good but we saw that in ever decreasing spells and the number of games between those purple patches was increasing. Getting £40m+ for him for how he was performing for us, from a team that he probably would have joined for less if he'd done a Fletcher was good business.

That said, he'll score loads at Liverpool when he gets his chance [why wouldn't you in that line up?] and he gave us some great times so I wish him well. Time will tell on the validity of paying nearly all the money received on Silva and I'm definitely on the fence. We're possibly in Man City's Santa Cruz period where we have to accept that paying over the odds will happen on occasion to get targets to join our less attractive, certainly in the eyes of the global media, proposition. By no means will all of the signings work out.
 

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Spot on.

I would go as far as to say he's been below average for the majority of the last 18 months. When he's good, he's very good but we saw that in ever decreasing spells and the number of games between those purple patches was increasing. Getting £40m+ for him for how he was performing for us, from a team that he probably would have joined for less if he'd done a Fletcher was good business.

That said, he'll score loads at Liverpool when he gets his chance [why wouldn't you in that line up?] and he gave us some great times so I wish him well. Time will tell on the validity of paying nearly all the money received on Silva and I'm definitely on the fence. We're possibly in Man City's Santa Cruz period where we have to accept that paying over the odds will happen on occasion to get targets to join our less attractive, certainly in the eyes of the global media, proposition. By no means will all of the signings work out.

I think fans sometimes struggle to reconcile that you don't just buy players for now, and we're actually in a position where we can afford to give Fabio as much time as he needs rather than having to throw him in when he isn't quite ready for that.

Also weirdly transfer windows seem to exist in isolation from each other. An outlay of £8m(ish), getting Podence and Silva and letting Jota go looks alright to me. If Fabio comes off, of course.
 

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Getting rid of Beckham, not signing Ronaldinho and bringing in Ronaldo (three senior goals in his career at that point) was a hell of an if, most transfers are. Worked out ok though.

Look at Raul's record before we signed him, it's not that flash.
 

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The Jota money was good, we can’t really argue with that when Liverpool are coming in for him. Obviously we’ve overpaid £15-20m for Silva, I don’t quite get it unless there’s some favours going on.

He might turn out to be a world beater, but you can’t be spending £35m on potential, particularly when there’s plenty of “generational talents” already making waves at the top level at 18 and below.

Surely by definition there aren’t that amount of generational talents?

Silva has made the last 20 of the golden boy list...

Generational talent...

Go on then I’ll bite. Even though you’ve misread/misinterpreted the first post of mine. Firstly I used the phrase “generational talent” as a direct quote of Jeff Shi. Also by saying “there’s plenty already making waves at 18 and below” I was referring to historically throughout my lifetime rather than just at this moment, and I said, it was the word Jeff used not me.
 

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Getting rid of Beckham, not signing Ronaldinho and bringing in Ronaldo (three senior goals in his career at that point) was a hell of an if, most transfers are. Worked out ok though.

Look at Raul's record before we signed him, it's not that flash.

He was 17, has already played a full season for one of the best teams in Portugal (albeit not starting) and they signed him after seeing him being a worldy in a pre season friendly against them. He then came in and made and instant impact at one of the best teams in the world. The two situations aren’t even remotely comparable.

We’ve overpaid for Fábio Silva on any metric you want to use. Not sure why anyone would try and claim otherwise.

Obviously overpaying doesn’t mean he can’t/won’t become good. But the fact there is a *might* already suggests you’ve overpaid at £35m.
 

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He was 17, has already played a full season for one of the best teams in Portugal (albeit not starting) and they signed him after seeing him being a worldy in a pre season friendly against them. He then came in and made and instant impact at one of the best teams in the world. The two situations aren’t even remotely comparable.

We’ve overpaid for Fábio Silva on any metric you want to use. Not sure why anyone would try and claim otherwise.

Obviously overpaying doesn’t mean he can’t/won’t become good. But the fact there is a *might* already suggests you’ve overpaid at £35m.

I find this position really strange. You have absolutely no way of knowing if £35m will be a fair fee until he's been at the club for any length of time.

I don't see how you can claim otherwise.
 

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The club have detailed their metric (at least by proxy), they believe he'll go on to be worth over €100m.

I haven't seen anything like enough of him at any level to know how plausible that statement is, none of us have.

Oh and United went from winning the league with Becks at the club in 2003 to not winning it again until 2007. Ronaldo took at least two years to be a serious player at PL level. But as I say, you don't necessarily buy players just for now.
 

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I find this position really strange. You have absolutely no way of knowing if £35m will be a fair fee until he's been at the club for any length of time.

I don't see how you can claim otherwise.

Same as we all scoffed when Bournemouth bought Solanke for £16m?
 

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The big gamble wasn't necessarily the fee for Raul- it was him being the fulcrum of our attacking play our first season up. We'd have been in trouble had he not come good.
 
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