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It's the same as we spent on Bonatini to not play a game for us again the same Summer

Plus he was what 26? Played senior football for years, full international with lots of caps for a good nation, played for big clubs, multiple big moves (clearly demonstrating ability) and we’d (the club) seen enough of him to think he could walk into a PL team on day 1 and play and be effective.

The fact his moves at other clubs hadnt worked out didn’t mean he was a bad player (goals per minute record was good at Benfica), was just he hadn’t had the opportunity. Was still plenty of evidence to know what you were getting for a £5m loan fee (they weren’t going to give him away for free we’re they!)

It’s a strange comparison to use.
 

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Pick any player you like. How about £18m on Adama who I think had more Premier League relegations than Premier League goals/assists when we signed him?

The point was that Tony said Fabio coming good is "a big if", well so are pretty much all deals unless you're going out and buying Kevin de Bruyne or whatever.
 

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I find this position really strange. You have absolutely no way of knowing if £35m will be a fair fee until he's been at the club for any length of time.

I don't see how you can claim otherwise.

Agreed. Plus transfer fees are based on how much you want the player and the other team wants to sell. It’s not like you pay per pound of weight.

He’s in the last 20 of the golden boy this year, despite being up against players two or three years older than him - I’d agree we’ve paid for potential rather than proven talent, but that doesn’t mean we’ve over paid.
 

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The club have detailed their metric (at least by proxy), they believe he'll go on to be worth over €100m.

I haven't seen anything like enough of him at any level to know how plausible that statement is, none of us have.

Oh and United went from winning the league with Becks at the club in 2003 to not winning it again until 2007. Ronaldo took at least two years to be a serious player at PL level. But as I say, you don't necessarily buy players just for now.

But he was going in and starting games at United. Who were better than current day wolves.

They might think he will become €100m player, but it’s still a might. Is there another player who has gone for this sort of fee at this age with so little senior experience? I’d doubt it (I don’t know, I’m asking). Certainly not at clubs breaking their transfer record on one.
 

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Vinicius Junior cost Real €46m and it was about a week after he made his senior debut.
 

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€45 for Vinicus Jr and €45 for Rodrygo by Real Madrid are pretty big gambles for unproven kids (18 and 17).

Edit: Pellegri moved to Monace for €25 in 2018. He is only 19 now and barely played a first team game.
 

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Rodrygo:

Agreed to sign for Real aged 17.5, was already starting for Santos at this point albeit only half a season. Didn’t join Real until 18.5 but when he did go he was playing games regularly, both starting and from the bench.

So 1) first team ready for Real 2) this is Real, they already have a world class team so can take gambles 3) pretty much unlimited money

Vinícius Júnior:

Made his debut at 16 approaching 17, and then was agreed to be sold to Real the following year. Was used regularly in that season as a 17 year old and then the following season was a regular stater as an older 17 year old before moving to Real. By December he was then starting to be regularly involved with the first team at 18.5.

This is a closer example given the fee and relative experience. But again it’s Real and he was playing regularly on Brazil at 17 and then came into Real and was playing regularly in a world class team after only a few months.

I guess if Fábio Silva is playing regularly here and contributing regularly by Jan then the examples will be even closer. Should be a lot easier to do that at Wolves than Real Madrid.
 

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"Overpaid" is kind of a nonsense term these days. The club won't have paid so much that Fabio will destroy us financially if he doesn't work out.

Fosun's game is money. I have absolute faith in them to not risk any more funds on a player than they absolutely have to.
 

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I find this position really strange. You have absolutely no way of knowing if £35m will be a fair fee until he's been at the club for any length of time.

I don't see how you can claim otherwise.

And it was a transfer arranged by a certain agent between two clubs he has a particular relationship with. The fee is largely irrelevant as it has a certain degree of it being “engineered” to suit all parties.
 
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Any teenager is a risk, and thirty five million makes it a much bigger risk than normal. English players usually cost more, but can you imagine us paying that sort of money for a 17 year old english kid?

But at the same time it could actually be less of a risk - if he doesn't make it here there is still every chance that Uncle Jorge will find a club willing to give us what we paid.
 

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And it was a transfer arranged by a certain agent between two clubs he has a particular relationship with. The fee is largely irrelevant as it has a certain degree of it being “engineered” to suit all parties.

Silva isn't a Mendes client.
 

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English players usually cost more, but can you imagine us paying that sort of money for a 17 year old english kid?

Depends on the 17 year old kid. Considering the talent Portugal is currently churning out, the quality of Porto's academy and Fábio Silva's reputation it'd be similar to us signing someone like Curtis Jones. Would you be expecting to pay £35M+ for a player like Jones? You absolutely would IMO.

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I'm sure the Porto president wouldn't exaggerate things to make himself look good.
 
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