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Jeremy Corbyn

Is that what they’ve said? Bloody hell :facepalm:
 
Bonkers.

Voting down whatever deal May gets, in the hope of an election they wont get, followed by campaigning for a new referendum based only on whether to accept the deal they will have just voted against.

Dumb bastards.
 
No. McDonnell said he felt the vote should be purely on the terms of brexit but that really Parliament should decide the question.

That'll be a Parliament they don't have a majority in?

Sounds like a well thought out plan. Has he thought of doing the Brexit negotiations? With such vision and strategic brilliance he should be in charge...... oh wait...
 
That'll be a Parliament they don't have a majority in?

Sounds like a well thought out plan. Has he thought of doing the Brexit negotiations? With such vision and strategic brilliance he should be in charge...... oh wait...

No deal won't get through at all. They'd get plenty of Conservatives voting for a second referendum so that could pass. The wording of the question would be crucial though I'd have thought.
 
Re the referendum, I read at the weekend that even if everyone who voted last time voted the same way as they did previously by mid January the result would be different once the shifting age demographic is taken into account.
 
All the 16 year olds who were disenfranchised at the referendum are much more likely to vote remain. That is for sure.
 
Labour are going to vote down May's deal, then argue for a choice between the dead L they rejected and no deal, which would be worse.

Excellent skills from the magic grandpa.
 
It's a piss poor choice, and only exists because a) Corbyn is actually a bit of a Europhobe at heart, and b) momentum are terrified of losing swathes of supporters who voted leave.

So the new stance is do something to try and fuck up the Conservatives.
 
It's amazing that a leader as supposedly godlike as Jezferatu is unable to go to those constituents and point out that Brexit will be a complete fucking disaster for them.

And by unable I obviously mean unwilling. Useless fucking cunt.
 
If only Kier Starmer were in charge, still it looks as though he has prevailed.

Starmer refuses to rule out Labour backing extending article 50

Here is the quote from TalkRadio when Sir Keir Starmer refused to rule out Labourbacking an extension of article 50. Asked if he could guarantee that the UK would leave the EU on 29 March 2019, he replied:

Well the answer is it depends, because we don’t know when we’re going to get a deal. The October deadline might slip to November, November might slip to December. I don’t know, I’m not conducting the negotiations so the timeline is not in our control.

I don’t think at this stage anybody is talking about extending article 50 but if it has to be extended quite frankly it will be because of the collapsing failure of the discussions and the negotiations.

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4.52am

The conference has just opened.

The debate on Brexit is scheduled to run from 11am until 12.35pm.

The vote will not take place until the end of the day, at 5.20pm, although the composite is expected to be agreed overwhelmingly.

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4.35am

Keir Starmer's morning interviews - Summary

Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, has done more or less the full round of media interviews this morning. Here are the key points he made.

Starmer refused to rule out Labour backing an extension of article 50. But, in an interview with TalkRadio, he implied he did not expect it. This is from TalkRadio’s Ross Kempsell.

Starmer said that Labour had united around a position on Brexit and that this was “amazing”. He said:

What happened on Sunday night is we got 300 or so delegates into a room to composite a motion, to reach agreement. We had to reach consensus ... And we reached consensus. Now, that is amazing.

(Starmer was rather glossing over the fact that Labour has only been able to reach agreement by drafting a composite motion that is sufficiently non-specific to accommodate people with very different views.)

He said the Tories would not able to reach an agreed position on Brexit.

We’ve got a proposition that is going to be put to a vote today. There is going to be unity behind that. And I’ll tell you what; I’ll compare, at one o’clock today when we vote on that, to what is going to happen next week at the Tory party conference. If by Tuesday there’s a proposition voted on at the Tory party conference which they have all agreed, I’ll be astonished. But that’s going to happen today with the Labour party.

He said, if the UK was heading for a no deal Brexit, the option of remain should be an option in any referendum. He said:

The question will have to be determined when we get to that stage. We don’t know whether there’s a deal or no deal. But if we’re heading for no deal, then there might be a fight between no deal and something else, and the option of remain needs to remain on the table.
 
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