Let's talk about Nuno....

[prawnking]

See my post above

Why? It ignores all the points I made

So we basically splashed our striker budget on a prospect and left ourselves crossing our fingers that Raul could repeat 2019/20, and concentrated on buying four full backs instead.

 

[Haggstone]

Well I can't take you seriously if you won't give me names

For the record, I'm pretty sure there aren't any clubs like us making these kind of visionary/vanity signings

I don’t need to. You were the one stating that signing a player based on potential for £35m is only something elite clubs should be doing. I fundamentally dissagree with that point.

IMO the strategy of signing young players with potential, supplemented by signing older players wher we can, represents our best chance of continued success.

As usual you offer no solutions, no alternatives. Just strawman argument after strawman argument before clambering for the moral high ground.

 

[Premier Quality]

) he’s also a ‘young’ 18 year old with hardly any experience .

I read or heard somewhere that he’s the youngest player in the premier league this season, by six months.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I knew very little of Fabio before he joined, and like most of us, would have expected a solitary, expensive striker signing to be vaguely fit for purpose in the scenario we find ourselves in.

He really isn't, and the club should have had some inkling of that before he signed on, and mitigated it by either getting someone else into the squad who was more ready to do a job right now, or have another plan within the existing squad.

Well I can't take you seriously if you won't give me names

For the record, I'm pretty sure there aren't any clubs like us making these kind of visionary/vanity signings

In 2019 there was much debate on here with regard to the squad depth and strength. Many wanted to see players signed that could complete with the first 15 as that was basically all of the required quality. The two areas of real concern were back up for Coady and Raul. I absolutely refuse to believe that wolves could not have found a striker to bench warm and back up Raul for a lot less than the 35 m spent on Fabio and it would not have done Raul any harm to miss a few games to rest a bit. We are in a situation of our own making a
1 Nuno wants a small squad
2 That squad lacks real depth of quality
3 It spent money on potential that is under delivering at the moment

now those three things don’t work well together but we took the chance and it backfired. We twisted on 12 and got a queen. You have to learn from that

Now that’s not being negative. It is a fact. But as we are in a transfer window we have the chance to throw a bit of money at it to get Josh King or Similar here for about 10m quid. Our net summer spend was zero and we are within ffp guidelines and they are irrelevant unless we win the fa cup. Go and get King and let him be competition for Raul . It’s got to be a better short term option than 20m on Vitinha given that MGW effectively does the same thing?

Decent centre half Josh King and a creative midfielder and we are up and running again. Nuno will then need to work with 25 instead of 22 or 23

 

[redvictor]

Why? It ignores all the points I made

So we basically splashed our striker budget on a prospect and left ourselves crossing our fingers that Raul could repeat 2019/20, and concentrated on buying four full backs instead.

No, it explains why I THINK we bought him in. It doesn't explain what you think i know. But that is for you. I don't think we splashed our entire budget at all. The global pandemic has a huge bearing on the budget. Not having fans in the ground for 9 months puts a dent in the finances for sure. I'm sure Fosun didn't think as they were handing the readies over for Fabio that they wouldn't have had a penny through the gate for 6 months after.
Remember, your opinion is yours, mine is mine.

 

[prawnking]

I don’t need to. You were the one stating that signing a player based on potential for £35m is only something elite clubs should be doing. I fundamentally dissagree with that point.

IMO the strategy of signing young players with potential, supplemented by signing older players wher we can, represents our best chance of continued success.

As usual you offer no solutions, no alternatives. Just strawman argument after strawman argument before clambering for the moral high ground.

Nah, I didn't 'state that signing a player based on potential for £35m is only something elite clubs should be doing', I said it 'sounds like something only elite clubs would do'. Important difference. If you disagree then tell me another non elite club doing it?

As for your second paragraph, I wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately we missed the important second part of the strategy when signing Fabio and fulfilling the first

 

[prawnking]

I'm sure Fosun didn't think as they were handing the readies over for Fabio that they wouldn't have had a penny through the gate for 6 months after.

Really?? We signed him six months into the pandemic with winter just round the corner.

Honestly, some of the contortions on here, just to hold together the idea that everything's part of Nuno and Fosun's infallible plan

 

[redvictor]

Really?? We signed him six months into the pandemic with winter just round the corner.

Honestly, some of the contortions on here, just to hold together the idea that everything's part of Nuno and Fosun's infallible plan

Not sure why you are actually a Wolves supporter? A fan maybe.
5 September he was signed, 4 months ago . Still pretty sure they didn't anticipate no fans through the gate at that time.
And all the signings and tactics and everything to do with WWFC IS part of Jeff and Nuno's plan. Sometimes they get it spot on, sometimes not. Any business has the same ups and downs. I know, as i run one. Every decision you make as a manager of that business is a calculated risk.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Sometimes a dissenting voice has to make itself heard above the din of mutual back slapping

Or you mean "once you thought you were wrong but you were only mistaken", I don't mind discussion, but man when you get a bone in your mouth you are like a Jack Russell. Take a breath.

 

[Haggstone]

Nah, I didn't 'state that signing a player based on potential for £35m is only something elite clubs should be doing', I said it 'sounds like something only elite clubs would do'. Important difference. If you disagree then tell me another non elite club doing it?

As for your second paragraph, I wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately we missed the important second part of the strategy when signing Fabio and fulfilling the first

Im happy to say that I can’t name other clubs that are going about things the way we are. We have done things differently to clubs around us since Fosun took over, I’m glad that is continuing to be the case because it’s one of the things that has bought us success.

 

[The Bear]

Don't the big Spanish and Italian clubs regularly buy South American youngsters with barely any decent first team experience?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Don't the big Spanish and Italian clubs regularly buy South American youngsters with barely any decent first team experience?

We did this in the summer.

They do but they’ve often at least played some senior football and looked good whilst doing so in something like the Brazilian top flight.

Not £35m on someone who scored a few goals at youth level. We have overpaid absolutely, but I’m sure there plenty of Mendes involved in that rather than us deciding to pay £15-20m too much for bants.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The ugly duckling bit is fine, but the transformation shouldn't be being done right now in the harsh glare of the PL, being flogged on the left wing for 80 mins. It doesn't help anyone.

It also won't help our developing players if they're playing and getting beaten every week and dropping down the league. Can we remember that while we're getting misty-eyed about what our 2022/23 line up will be?

I was referring to the team as a whole and not specifically Fabio Silva.

 

[Del Woppio]

Seeing some of Nuno's latest quotes, I actually think he should go home. Take the rest of the season off, be with your family, come back refreshed at the start of preseason. I'm worried for his mental and emotional health at the moment

 

[redvictor]

Yep, he's finding it tough. Even tougher when fans are on your back constantly, even if he doesn't probably read a 100th of it.

 

[YoungWolf]

Well I can't take you seriously if you won't give me names

For the record, I'm pretty sure there aren't any clubs like us making these kind of visionary/vanity signings

Tbf, Man United have just spent BIG money on the Atalanta winger who has played even less senior football than Fabio had. Their other right wing options are Mason Greenwood and Dan James.

now I’ve never seen him play, so no idea if physically he is to to it straight away. But they are obviously buying him with the future in mind rather than to make an impact, in a position they have been crying out for a new signing for ages (hence the Sancho saga). And yes I get it’s Man United but this example came straight to mind

 

[Tony Towner]

I said a month or so ago that he's struggling mentally. Someone said before we are in a perfect storm I think that's true. There's elements I think are self inflicted, I'm closer to PK's view on the Raul situation than anyone else, but we just need to get this wanky season out of the way and move on

 

[Throbber3]

some of the contortions on here, just to hold together the idea that everything's part of Nuno and Fosun's infallible plan

Their plan looks a lot worse this year than it has in the last three. Recruitment does look ordinary at the moment. We are also 30 odd goals worse off having sold Jota and Doherty and losing Raul Jimenez to injury and the replacements, MGW and Cutrone have significantly poorer scoring records in the premier League. They have 2 weeks and 3 games to show that they are capable of scoring at this top level. If not, then without attacking reinforcement we will struggle , I fear.

 

[sycophantia]

some of the contortions on here, just to hold together h idea that everything's part of Nuno and Fosun's infallible plan

This is true but also the same contortions of the opposite view, it ends up as a neverending boring circle where people come up with slightly different versions of the same argument

 

[Haggstone]

Seeing some of Nuno's latest quotes, I actually think he should go home. Take the rest of the season off, be with your family, come back refreshed at the start of preseason. I'm worried for his mental and emotional health at the momentView attachment 3330

I was actually thinking this earlier before seing those quotes. He’s really struggling isn’t he!