Madeleine McCann

[Langers]

Yet they still seem determined not to take any of the responsibility.

Apparently not, though I haven't seen any of the interviews with them, in print or on the telly. I don't think I want to know TBH.

 

[Wolvensam]

This one gets special attention because David Cameron made it so. No idea why he decided it was worthy to put a load of resources into it.

Probably something to do with the McCann family being very well-to-do. But I am quite cynical. I notice the Daily Mail are happy to peddle this story too; I dread to think of the dressing-down they'd give a family from a council house estate.

 

[Law's Bus]

yet sympathy with the parents

My sympathy is entirely with Madeline and her siblings. I have absolutely none with the parents.

The parents knew exactly what they were doing abandoning their kids and going down the road to a bar. I don't know you, Langers, but I know that there is no way you (or any other vaguely responsible adult, let alone parent) would abandon some young children in favour of having a good time with your mates. And that goes double when they're your own kids.

Still there are many people who think the McCann's were involved in this sad case. One can only hope that is not correct.

They were involved in that at the very least their selfishness entirely led to the situation. If they weren't involved, and stayed with their children like any normal parents, then the whole thing would never have happened.

 

[ROVERT47]

I've the utmost sympathy for anyone who loses a child but i feel that had they not been two well educated middle class Doctors this would have been forgotten long ago.

They left their children alone while they enjoyed their selves something i could never contemplate, had Mrs McCann been a 'kitchen sink' single Mother then the very same media that have supported the McCann's would have sent them to hell.

 

[Langers]

My sympathy is entirely with Madeline and her siblings. I have absolutely none with the parents.

The parents knew exactly what they were doing abandoning their kids and going down the road to a bar. I don't know you, Langers, but I know that there is no way you (or any other vaguely responsible adult, let alone parent) would abandon some young children in favour of having a good time with your mates. And that goes double when they're your own kids.

Of course I wouldn't - and that's why I feel the anger and revulsion at their utterly brainless actions. It was their fault it happened. Still doesn't change the fact that they've paid the ultimate price for such negligence.

 

[So Long Architect]

Of course I wouldn't - and that's why I feel the anger and revulsion at their utterly brainless actions. It was their fault it happened. Still doesn't change the fact that they've paid the ultimate price for such negligence.

Well, not quite. (Assuming they had nothing to do with the actual disappearance). They're culpable to an extent but ultimately it's the sick fucker(s) who took her that are to blame. We wouldn't say that the people who allowed Jimmy Savile to get away with it for all those years were equally guilty, would we?

 

[Langers]

Well, not quite. (Assuming they had nothing to do with the actual disappearance). They're culpable to an extent but ultimately it's the sick fucker(s) who took her that are to blame. We wouldn't say that the people who allowed Jimmy Savile to get away with it for all those years were equally guilty, would we?

Okay - certainly PARTLY to blame.

 

[So Long Architect]

Okay - certainly PARTLY to blame.

But I'm with you all the way in avoiding the whole thing. Upsetting and far too many interested parties and mixed motives.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

I made films for horizon holidays many years ago at resorts all over Europe, at zillion resorts like this one, and actually including this one, and let me tell you as a fact, this idea of leaving the kids in the room asleep, going to the resturaunt in the square/centre of the complex, and taking it in turns to check on the kids, was then, and probably is now, standard practice..

My kids always slept on chairs in the resturaunt if they were tired, ha ha although not very often, but that doesn't make me a saint, as i have to ask myself now, how many times when they were running around playing with the other kids were my eyes NOT on them.

Ok in modern times this paedophile epidemic asks for another style of parenting, sadly, but how many parents think, hell i'm on holiday too and i need a break as well. wrong? , yes, or maybe, but in the minds of a zillion tourists on their two week hard earned break, for sure it is the norm.

With the introduction of the internet, paedophiles have got organised, trafficking kids is a sadly massive market, would you have been worried back then when yours were little, if Jimmy Saville was on his jollies in the next door apartment? you bloody would be now!

But ask yourself, when you're sitting outside the pub, in the garden in the summer having a beer or two, and the kids are playing around you, how many times are you watching them in case they get hurt, or annoy other customers, and how many times are you considering you need to watch them because some freak might come along and take them for his own perverted pleasures.

I don't like the Mcanns, but they are no dummies, I'm an ex (40 years in the biz ) adman/Pr man, and trust me , If this had happened to me, i would have whipped up a media frenzy and door to door search all over Europe, that would have made the Mcanns look like rank amateurs.

If it was your kid, would you rather be clever/smart/influential enough to manipiuate the media and get this much publicity, or get a week in the saucy sun and case closed?

 

[Langers]

But ask yourself, when you're sitting outside the pub, in the garden in the summer having a beer or two, and the kids are playing around you, how many times are you watching them in case they get hurt, or annoy other customers, and how many times are you considering you need to watch them because some freak might come along and take them for his own perverted pleasures.

My kids are a similar age to when Maddy was taken and there's no way I'd leave them alone to get on with their own thing in a public place. And I'd definitely not leave them for x hours at a time to go and have a meal or a drink somewhere.

I need to be sure I can always see where they are and what they're doing, and that's assuming I'm not actually playing with them. As they get older, I'm sure that won't be as necessary but they're 4 and 3 so there's always someone ensuring we know what's happening.

Of course, like any parent, there has been a time when for a split second, we've taken our eye off them and they've let go of our hand or something and by god is that a horrible feeling, if only for 5 seconds or so. But that's not what happened in this case - they were left alone and unsupervised.

 

[Penk Wolf]

What would the thoughts of people if she'd been snatched from a kids club whilst on holiday? My wife would never put our kids in a kids club, but I know a lot of people do.

 

[Langers]

What would the thoughts of people if she'd been snatched from a kids club whilst on holiday? My wife would never put our kids in a kids club, but I know a lot of people do.

Entirely different scenario - the hotel running the club would have had the book thrown at them and rightly so.

(FWIW - we wouldn't put our kids in a kids club either)

 

[Penk Wolf]

Entirely different scenario - the hotel running the club would have had the book thrown at them and rightly so.

(FWIW - we wouldn't put our kids in a kids club either)

Yeah, I appreciate it's a totally different scenario, but at the end of the day you are leaving your kids with a complete stranger who you don't know from Adam.

 

[Murphy]

I got slated once in a discussion by saying I tried never to take my eyes off my kids. I don't like to do it now and they're 22 and 20! One is in Dubai at the minute and she's not far from my thoughts at any moment.

 

[Langers]

Yeah, I appreciate it's a totally different scenario, but at the end of the day you are leaving your kids with a complete stranger who you don't know from Adam.

Which isn't actually the reason why we wouldn't do it. It's more that we like to interact with them and play games, go for walks etc. Holidays are so rare for us that when we do go on them, we tend to do everything with the kids in mind.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Langers i undrstand what you are saying and i was the same or even more strict with my kids way back then, not a thought of paedophiles in those days either, but as penk says, holiday kids clubs?, creches? organised sports or games hours, swimming lessons in the pool? I doesn't matter which, these are the things that most parents see as a sound way of getting a bit of me time, and millions do it.

These things are usually supervised by young , barely qualified girls working abroad to get a cheapo summer, who's plan is solely to get laid and pissed in the disco at night, and spend a few hours looking after a few brats, and even though we know it, they are still everywhere, and if your kids gone, then throwing the book at a play club manager is about as much use as a fart in a space suit.

Like i said, I don't like the Mcanns, i don't agree with what they did, but they are more likely in the majority of holidaying parents rather than the minority.

If you could see the freedom kids get here in the summer, simply by where thy are allowed to play you'd have a heart attack. To be fair everyone here watches all kids even if they are not their own, but that makes teaching a kid here not to talk to strangers, nigh on impossible.

 

[Sniffer]

Maybe the McCanns decided that their kids would be safer alone in a strange room in a strange country with the a swimming pool just outside of the door than with the hotels babysitiing service because of the fears of leaving their kids with strangers.

On the other hand didn't I here them say that they had left their children (2,2 and 3 FFS) at the hotel kids club during the day.

 

[lemonjelly]

Didn't watch the programme - frankly, I find the whole thing very upsetting, and I feel a mixture of anger, revulsion yet sympathy with the parents. I just can't imagine what it must be like to live every second of every day knowing your child has been taken, and that it wouldn't have happened if they had been there with them.

It sends shivers down my spine.

I have no sympathy for the McCanns. Fuck them. They deserve the book being thrown at them if they were not involved. There actions were selfish and grotesque. They do not deserve sympathy.

My sympathy is entirely with Madeline and her siblings. I have absolutely none with the parents.

The parents knew exactly what they were doing abandoning their kids and going down the road to a bar. I don't know you, Langers, but I know that there is no way you (or any other vaguely responsible adult, let alone parent) would abandon some young children in favour of having a good time with your mates. And that goes double when they're your own kids.



They were involved in that at the very least their selfishness entirely led to the situation. If they weren't involved, and stayed with their children like any normal parents, then the whole thing would never have happened.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

 

[Sniffer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34278538

I'm glad that there is no pressure on police budgets.

 

[Tony Towner]

German man in prison is now chief suspect in what the German police are calling a murder investigation