Post Covid football attendance

[Johnny75]

Here you go

'Dutch health minister: No football crowds until vaccine'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11984584

The article says Sept 1st for all sports. It's crowds that won't happen until a vaccine. It seems the Dutch ministers can be as stupid is ours. It may take years for a vaccine to happen but suppression drugs (ebola and HIV) and treatments for outbreaks could be as soon as September.

 

[Tredman]

The article says Sept 1st for all sports. It's crowds that won't happen until a vaccine. It seems the Dutch ministers can be as stupid is ours. It may take years for a vaccine to happen but suppression drugs (ebola and HIV) and treatments for outbreaks could be as soon as September.

Just been on the phone to my (Dutch) boss and he was having a huge moan about the Dutch strategy and thinks it’s completely unrealistic - his wife is an epidemiologist too.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Well I am not fucking happy. Our region is not allowed out of the lockdown, despite having a lower infection and death rate than many cities that are coming out of lockdown.
All because Malaga City did not beat the figures required.

No one is happy here now, we have been preparing our businesses to open, now we cannot open and losing money at ridiculous levels

 

[AndyWolves]

Is there an argument for age restricted attendance?

It's really clear who this virus affects most

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692

Obviously we're then reliant on people not interacting with over 65s

 

[lemonjelly]

Is there an argument for age restricted attendance?

It's really clear who this virus affects most

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692

Obviously we're then reliant on people not interacting with over 65s

No. Because by the same rationale, you'd have to advise BAME supporters not to attend either based on current ONS info.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Is there an argument for age restricted attendance?

It's really clear who this virus affects most

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692

Obviously we're then reliant on people not interacting with over 65s

If you can tell me how you can know for certain someone's age & avoid them then I am all ears - plus age on it's own doesn't neccessarily denote extreme vulnerability.

I am over that, but think that I have amassed sufficient common sense to decide for myself what risk level that I am prepared to accept to live a life that is not just staring at 4 walls.

As said above there are other risk groups.

 

[Tredman]

No. Because by the same rationale, you'd have to advise BAME supporters not to attend either based on current ONS info.

Nah. 1.9 times more likely to be die is nothing like the 1000 times more likely if you are over 80. We need to understand the difference and causes, but let’s not over-sensationalise, it’s dangerous.

 

[AndyWolves]

If you can tell me how you can know for certain someone's age & avoid them then I am all ears - plus age on it's own doesn't neccessarily denote extreme vulnerability.

I am over that, but think that I have amassed sufficient common sense to decide for myself what risk level that I am prepared to accept to live a life that is not just staring at 4 walls.

As said above there are other risk groups.

Whatever measures could be circumvented one way or another. It's down to you whether you went or not. There won't be a perfect system

I'd rather some people go to games than have them behind closed doors and excluding risk groups seems a good way of starting

 

[Parkins left foot]

Whatever measures could be circumvented one way or another. It's down to you whether you went or not. There won't be a perfect system

I'd rather some people go to games than have them behind closed doors and excluding risk groups seems a good way of starting

Only problem with that is defining what a risk group is - reality says that you can only put crude arbitrary ages/conditions in that & they do not define the real risk to individuals is.

I am capable of defining the level of risk to me (& in the short term probably wouldn't attend an environment such as a PL game), but it's my life & my choice

 

[AndyWolves]

Only problem with that is defining what a risk group is - reality says that you can only put crude arbitrary ages/conditions in that & they do not define the real risk to individuals is.

I am capable of defining the level of risk to me (& in the short term probably wouldn't attend an environment such as a PL game), but it's my life & my choice

Over 65 and / or co-morbidities are a much higher risk.

If Spain can segregate excerise on age then something with ticketed entrance should be easier

 

[Parkins left foot]

Over 65 and / or co-morbidities are a much higher risk.

If Spain can segregate excerise on age then something with ticketed entrance should be easier

Would agree that it is technologically possible - just block off access to any over 65 ticket (which mine is). You will have to accept that I would rather that it was my decision (which in the short term it would be not to attend) rather than someone who knows very little or nothing about me making that.

 

[lemonjelly]

So would Roy Hodgson not be able to be present?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

He would get a test

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I can’t see mass spectator sports being in the cards until we are well into 2021. One of the consequences of the lockdown is that many people who would have been infected haven’t which means a virus without a vaccine still has a significant population to work with. There is no way the NHS could cope with an increase in infections over the winter months so that pretty much rules out September through to February for any activity that puts 1000s of people together. I reckon every Premier League game will be televised in 20/21..

 

[t3ch]

I think you wildly underestimate the power of money. I hope to be wrong, but have a hard time not being pessimistic on the handling of the situation

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Only problem with that is defining what a risk group is - reality says that you can only put crude arbitrary ages/conditions in that & they do not define the real risk to individuals is.

I am capable of defining the level of risk to me (& in the short term probably wouldn't attend an environment such as a PL game), but it's my life & my choice

I did some analysis using ONS, and some NHS data.

Under 65 with no underlying health conditions there is between 0.5% and 1% of dying.
Once you get over 60 it increases gradually from 3% - 10%.

Mainly because your more likely to have the underlying health issues that make COVID-19 more dangerous for older people.

Underlying health conditions include
Heart Disease
High Blood Pressure
Immuno deficiencies
Obesity
Alzheimers
Dementia
Any respiratory issues.

I believe that all those in the at risk groups ( they have received letters from the Government) I know cos My dad is in extreme danger and recieved the letter, should be forced to Isolate.

Anyone under the age of 60 should go about their business as normal and ensure the economies are protected.

The Reality is if you are a healthy Male or Woman, Black or White under 60 your as likely to die of Flu.

No one stays in the house scared of being run over, or scared of catching Flu, yet everyone is stuck in the house panicking.

Obviously it would be tough fornthe elderly and at risk they would need to have shopping delivered they would need to be in total isolation, including no Care Home Visits, Hospital Visits etc PPE protection in said institutions would need to be perfect to protect the elderly.

I have been labelled heartless, and a Nut job because I pointed this out, but more people Die from Smoking related illnesses, Alchol Abuse than those under 60 and healthy have died of this.

Yet we still have pubs and sell alcohol

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It's not about me. It's about the eighteen year old in my house with an acute immuno deficiency disorder that might see Covid killing him very quickly indeed if he got it, so if I go out and keep the economy going and therefore bring the infection into the house it's a bit of an issue.

The whole problem isn't about getting it yourself necessarily, it's about who you might infect

 

[Parkins left foot]

I did some analysis using ONS, and some NHS data.

Under 65 with no underlying health conditions there is between 0.5% and 1% of dying.
Once you get over 60 it increases gradually from 3% - 10%.

Mainly because your more likely to have the underlying health issues that make COVID-19 more dangerous for older people.

Underlying health conditions include
Heart Disease
High Blood Pressure
Immuno deficiencies
Obesity
Alzheimers
Dementia
Any respiratory issues.

I am just 70, but have none of those issues (fortunately) - I would like to think that I have some sense and can decide risk levels for myself (leant money for a major UK financial business for many years so risk assessment was a big part of what I did).

Yes I will be somewhat more at risk than someone who is 30, but I am not going to restrict my life to this house, I can work out those areas that carry an excessive amount of risk & will avoid those - there are other things that I can do which carry a slightly bigger risk than sitting in my house alone, but not by enough to stop me going there.

 

[t3ch]

there's too much wrong with what glasgo is saying to bother rebutting to (I'm assuming you guys have been arguing about it in the other threads), but

It's not about me. It's about the eighteen year old in my house with an acute immuno deficiency disorder that might see Covid killing him very quickly indeed if he got it, so if I go out and keep the economy going and therefore bring the infection into the house it's a bit of an issue.

The whole problem isn't about getting it yourself necessarily, it's about who you might infect

it's amazing how many people still don't seem to grasp this ^

I live with someone immuno-compromised and while I'd likely be fine if I got covid she might not be. Sorry that I'm not willing to risk virus-murdering my significant other for the sake of the stock market.

 

[Papper]

No crowd sports until a vaccine I would imagine. It's easy to lose interest if you don't go. Suspect you'll get adverts during the decision making and people have already been trained for that ( See VAR for details). The sport has been primed for TV and the money is TV.