Refereeing question

[Johnny75]

Fuck VAR.
Just bin it off.

Ridiculous.

Trusting referees without VAR would be worse.

Just get it right.

 

[BillyDee]

Occasional wrong decisions, or occasional wrong decisions that take ages to be made and require rules to be changed that break the game..?

 

[Johnny75]

Occasional wrong decisions, or occasional wrong decisions that take ages to be made and require rules to be changed that break the game..?

Or just get it right, which is within reach.

You want to give more power to these pricks. That's the bit I can't get my head around.

 

[SSB]

We’ve heard what the referee said to Neves with regards to the sending off. Does the referees report get issued to the club so we can see the official reason?

 

[BillyDee]

On field referees getting everything 100% right is obviously the dream, but it didn't happen before and VAR ain't improving anything, it's making the game worse.
So bin it off and find a way to get better on field decisions. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't VAR. IMO.

 

[jd1981]

Said on another thread Mason in any other profession would be struck off. He was an atrocious on field official and still is doing VAR.
The actual worse thing yesterday was the operator drawing the offside lines from the wrong player for Brighton opener.
Alan Shearer said it on MOTD when the head of VAR doesn’t see that handball as a penalty it’s very worrying.
Closed ranks behaviour and hide behind the clear & obvious bollocks.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

VAR as a system should actually work for offside. It’s a yes/no factual decision. The lines should be clear and you can see the decision.

The issues are 1) the fool making the decision is still incompetent and 2) up to 75k people in the ground are left clueless throughout the whole decision making process.

 

[Johnny75]

On field referees getting everything 100% right is obviously the dream, but it didn't happen before and VAR ain't improving anything, it's making the game worse.
So bin it off and find a way to get better on field decisions. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't VAR. IMO.

The referees can't get better on the field. There's a bucket load of science to say why.

That's why external factors were introduced.

VAR works well in other sports and it could work in football if implemented better. It's the implementation that needs to change

And if you think things were acceptable before you need to replace those glasses, they are rose tinted.

 

[BillyDee]

VAR as a system should actually work for offside. It’s a yes/no factual decision. The lines should be clear and you can see the decision.

The problem is that not every offside is checked. If someone offside receives the ball and has a shot that is tipped behind for a corner, then it won't get flagged and it won't get checked.
If the attacking team scores from that corner then they have benefitted from the no call.
So it's not as simple as getting the binary offside call right, it's the implications of the changes made to implement VAR.

 

[Tony Towner]

I can live with errors, I can't live with incompetence. If you take the West Ham penalty as an example, not giving it on the field is a refereeing error, not giving it on VAR is incompetence.

It'll be fine if handled independently may be a valid argument in principle, but in practice it won't happen so are we better off with the model we currently have or none at all? I'm with Billy

 

[BillyDee]

And if you think things were acceptable before you need to replace those glasses, they are rose tinted.

I'm not saying it was great before, I'm saying that introducing VAR has made the game worse. IMO.

 

[jd1981]

First thing that needs chucking is clear & obvious. It just creates inconsistent decisions, is to vague, and blurs everything.
Simply advise VAR official what would you give?

 

[jd1981]

Somehow we’ve ended up with hybrid version of on field decisions and VAR and the worse of both.
The fact is how do you define a clear error as opposed to a minor one? Also shouldn’t you be wanting the right decision?
The PGMOL say they don’t want to ref matches, that’s fine on paper but in practice is flawed as it creates a grey area and inconsistent decisions.

 

[Kenny]

John Brooks, the VAR for the Palace v Brighton game has been removed from doing VAR duties for the Liverpool game tonight and the Arsenal v City game on Wednesday

 

[lemonjelly]

Webbs called em all in for a meeting apparently...

 

[darlowolf64]

Webbs called em all in for a meeting apparently...

Quote from said meeting... "Look guys, stop making it so obvious that we don't know what we're doing!"

 

[BillyDee]

Quote from said meeting... "Look guys, stop making it so obvious that we have a clear agenda against Wolves!"

FIFY

 

[ROVERT47]

Sack for Mason, looks like Nuno was right all the time, pity it took so long before his mates realised.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Just watched Dermots justification for him fucking up the Arsenal decision. “He had already taken 3 minutes so panicked”.

I have no idea how he took 3 minutes. It’s clear from one view that Pinnock was in an offside position. It should then take 10 seconds to decide if you think he’s influencing the play by blocking. Now he’s definitely “influencing play” but whether the current laws say that’s offside I don’t know, Arteta says it is, I’d want it to be if I’m the defending team.

But I’m not sure how it’s taken him 3 minutes to decide this. Multiple viewings doesn’t change anything. So to spend so long deliberating over a basic decision to then miss the black and white offside which would nail you out of the other decision is laughably bad.

All of this while the ref is standing in the middle of the pitch chatting to the players. Why is he not watching it offering his opinion at the same time? (Obviously useless for offside, but for the subjective decisions).

I honestly don’t know how they are still getting this implementation so wrong.