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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Wilf Wolf

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I think a lot of Brexit voters wanted no immigration and had no idea that certain industries couldn’t function without immigrant labour. They loved the slogans such as “Taking back control” and didn’t realise or care that they were meaningless words created to play to their inner racist.
 

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I work with white europeans who receive abusive telephone calls at all hours asking why they haven't "gone home yet". This has persisted despite changing their numbers.
It was always ironically obvious the racists were voting for something that would only result in increased non-european immigration.
The exceptionally dis-heartening thing about brexit is it has given rise to such a volume of intolerance, aggressiveness, overt racism, and platformed divisive politics and politicians.
 

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Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Brexit opportunities minister, has confirmed that the UK is delaying the introduction of physical checks on fresh food being imported into the country from the EU.
In a statement announcing the move, the Cabinet Office says British importers will save at least £1bn from the move.

So temporarily not having to spend more on top of the increased import costs is being sold as a win? So much for Brexit meaning cheaper goods.
 

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it's only being implemented as the infrastructure, particularly IT isn't ready or available. Shocking I know, but the government systems are not yet set up and able to cope with what is needed.
This is purely being spun as uk based control/decision making as a way of masking govt incompetence.
 

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Anything to do with customs and Brexit cheerleaders has always been based on technology that doesn't exist and won't for decades, if at all. The next train will call at Jackanory Junction, Make Believe Parkway and Unicorn Central.

All total bullshit to frame their nonsense ideology. I wish we were grown up enough to just say "this was an awful idea right from the start, can we not do this", but no.
 

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Brexit has created a shortage in the Labour market in many sectors, Covid has made that worse.
My wife is crew and speaking to her it seems as though covid gave people opportunity to try new jobs/retrain.

That and people are less and less well mannered on board so people don't want to do the role due to abuse.

Coupled with low pay it's a recipe for people to leave the sector, at best brexit is a secondary factor in staff shortages.
 

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My wife is crew and speaking to her it seems as though covid gave people opportunity to try new jobs/retrain.

That and people are less and less well mannered on board so people don't want to do the role due to abuse.

Coupled with low pay it's a recipe for people to leave the sector, at best brexit is a secondary factor in staff shortages.
Similar issues in hospitality and care sectors. Our labour market has shrunk. There is only one issue that has caused that.
 

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I'm not defending brexit in any way, shape or form. It's a terrible, self inflicted, wound.

But this is not massively related to brexit. Airlines haven't lost masses of staff because of the change, I believe there are other issues driving it. More relating to Covid and people generally being very unpleasant.
 

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"Barnier and his colleagues were surprised that Theresa May’s and then Johnson’s Governments did not appreciate that the UK had an obligation under Article 50 to conclude the Withdrawal Agreement first and then to negotiate the Treaty of future cooperation. The British Governments tried (and failed) to argue that concluding the first depended on achieving the second.

Barnier and others remarked during the negotiations that the UK side and particularly their politicians showed a remarkable ignorance about the EU, about its origins and its development over 70 years. Sadly this has been a fixed feature of the UK’s relationship with the EU since the 1950s".


 

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They won, you’d think they’d have dealt with it now
 

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I'm not defending brexit in any way, shape or form. It's a terrible, self inflicted, wound.

But this is not massively related to brexit. Airlines haven't lost masses of staff because of the change, I believe there are other issues driving it. More relating to Covid and people generally being very unpleasant.
...if only there was a way that we could recruit people from neighbouring countries to fill British staff shortages...
 

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And I am sure Joe Biden will be delighted if we do that, and we probably have a trade war with both the US and the EU.
 

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Most of the UK’s inflation is a direct result of Brexit, according to a former heavyweight at the Bank of England.

Former BoE policymaker Adam Posen, said that around 80 per cent of the reason why the IMF expects UK’s inflation to remain high is directly linked to Britain’s departure from the EU.

The economist, who these days chairs the research group Peterson Institute for International Economics, based in Washington D.C., said that “we see a very large gap between the inflation rate in the U.S. and the inflation rate in Europe – the U.K. ends up in between.”

Moreover, Posen is convinced there is “no chance” the UK and US will strike a trade agreement trade deal.

The political wind in Washington is simply blowing the wrong way, he explained, while speaking at a conference hosted by the U.K. in a Changing Europe research group.
 

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“Asked about Mr Biden's interventions today after a speech to the Heritage Foundation, Lord Frost suggested his administration did not really understand Northern Ireland.

'I know the administration is looking at this very closely. I'm not convinced the niceties are well understood,' the peer and former Brexit minister said.

'I get slightly frustrated when we are told by a third party, albeit a very important one in this context, how to manage these issues.

'It is our country that faced terrorism, faced the Troubles. I am old enough to remember having to check under my car every morning, as a diplomat, before I went to work. Most people were very affected in one way or another by this.

'So we don't need lectures from others about the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement. We are well aware of this and nobody wants to go back to it.”
 
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