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Summer 2020 Transfer Window (Extended Version)

I just had a conversation with a customer who called me a "smart man" (she doesn't know me very well). I didn't think "who are you to judge me?" I accepted the compliment.

If someone posts on here and I say "good point" it doesn't mean that I am negatively judging any other comment.

And if I got into a disagreement on here and another poster said "We've all seen that you're capable of good posts." I would a) understand that means the poster disagrees with my argument not with me as a person, and b) has actually read my previous posts and found something of value. (Obviously this has never happened.)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with complimenting people, especially in the context of an argument.
 
I don't think anyone expected us to buy 6 players. Granted most of them are youngsters who COULD become very good players, but we've also upgraded the position which had the most headroom to be improved on, which is RWB.

Jota leaving as well means that we need to find goals from elsewhere in the team but that is what Nuno gets paid the big bucks for and I'm sure he has a long-term plan for changing the way we play games. He'll still be judged on results even if circumstances mean it might be a difficult transition.

I also think Marcal may be an upgrade at LCB if the performances at Lyon are to be believed and continued on in a new team. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him play his first game at LCB if and when that happens. And Boly will surely come back into his best form soon at RCB.

I think it's fair to say there will be some hangover from the trials of the longest season ever seen by a top flight club, and the quick turnaround with no pre-season, particularly with the older players who played week in week out like Moutinho and possibly Raul. It has to have an impact, but hopefully we now have enough options to mitigate it.

There are plenty of reasons to be optimistic given the players we have brought in, but also one or two areas for concern, like finding goals from other areas. Or how the change in style of play is to work, and if it doesn't, will Nuno go back to the counter-attacking until he has a proper pre-season to bed those new ideas into the squad?

A cautiously optimistic 8/10 for me.
 
If you go back to around post 1200 on this thread we'd just been knocked out by Sevilla and were discussing our hopes/expectations for the window.

Most of us are talking about 3/4 players at best (personally I said 1/2) and nobody was mentioning players of the calibre of Semedo/Silva/Aït-Nouri. Lots of talk about Paulinho/Palhinha and players like Matty Cash etc.

I was of the opinion that we'd blown any chance of signing that quality of player by not qualifying for Europe and we wouldn't have a high turnaround due to our short pre season and the effect of Covid-19.

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I just had a conversation with a customer who called me a "smart man" (she doesn't know me very well). I didn't think "who are you to judge me?" I accepted the compliment.

If someone posts on here and I say "good point" it doesn't mean that I am negatively judging any other comment.

And if I got into a disagreement on here and another poster said "We've all seen that you're capable of good posts." I would a) understand that means the poster disagrees with my argument not with me as a person, and b) has actually read my previous posts and found something of value. (Obviously this has never happened.)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with complimenting people, especially in the context of an argument.
A general compliment is no issue.

That's not what's happened with prawn, particular posts have been singled out for pointed praise, the inference being that only a slither of his content is worthy of merit and an exception to the rest.

How would you have felt if the customer that called you a smart man had been in your shop and spoke to you hundreds of times then one day finally said something like 'you can be a smart man sometimes', puts a slightly different slant on it no?
 
Is Jorge Mendes grip on Wolves too tight?

The last transfer window will surely have banished any doubts regarding the overwhelming influence wielded by the super-agent Jorge Mendes at Wolverhampton Wanderers.

Wolves’ three most important signings and the three most lucrative sales involved players who are represented by Gestifute, Mendes’s agency. The value of the six deals came to about £140 million, and Gestifute has made many millions of pounds from the transactions.

The most remarkable of the deals was for Fábio Silva, the 18-year-old striker signed for a club-record €40 million (about £36 million) having played only 12 matches — scoring one goal — for Porto in the Portuguese league last season. Public documents registered by Porto on the Portuguese stock exchange revealed that the club paid Gestifute €7 million for that deal, 17.5 per cent of the fee they received, with another €3 million going to other intermediaries.

If as is possible, and indeed likely, Gestifute represented Wolves as the registering club as well as the player in the deal, the agency would have been paid by both those parties too.

The other five deals involving Mendes’s clients were: Diogo Jota to Liverpool (£45 million), Matt Doherty to Tottenham Hotspur (£14.7 million), Hélder Costa to Leeds United (£16 million), Nélson Semedo from Barcelona (£27.5 million) and the loan move of Vitinha from Porto, which is expected to become a permanent transfer next summer.


It is by no means unheard of for an agent to develop a close relationship with a club, but this goes even farther with Wolves and Mendes: for the past five years a subsidiary of Wolves’ Chinese owners Fosun International, Foyo, has had a 15 per cent stake in Start SGPS, Gestifute’s parent company.

The FA has rules on intermediaries that state: “Any individual or entity with an interest in a club shall not have any interest in the business or affairs of an intermediary or an intermediary’s organisation.” Nevertheless the governing body has approved the Wolves-Mendes relationship, despite complaints two years ago from the Leeds United owner Andrea Radrizzani that it was “not legal or fair”.

Although there is no suggestion of illegality, just how the relationship complies with the rules is not clear: the FA will not give details but merely states it has had confirmation from Wolves and relevant parties including Mendes about their ongoing compliance with its intermediary regulations.

The Doherty transfer to Spurs stands out as one where Mendes appeared to have a finger in every portion of the pie. As well as Gestifute’s links to Wolves’ owners, the club’s head coach, Nuno Espírito Santo, was the first client that Mendes ever had; the defender is his client; and Doherty was sold to Tottenham, whose head coach, José Mourinho, is also a long-time Mendes client.

Confirmation of exactly how many of the parties were represented by Gestifute or Mendes’s associates in Wolves’ six key transfers will not be published by the FA until next year, but last season the club had eight intermediary transactions where Gestifute or Talents Throne, the agency owned and operated by Mendes’s close associate Valdir Cardoso, were named as representing both player and club. In a further three intermediary transactions, Gestifute or Talents Throne represented just Wolves, and in three more the agency represented a Wolves player’s former club.

The practice of representing player and club has long been regarded by many in the game as a conflict of interest. Gary Lineker, the former England striker and BBC presenter, has called on Fifa to “introduce a rule where no person can act or receive fees for more than one party in any deal”, adding: “Clubs should not pay a player’s agent, whether selling or buying. The player should negotiate his commission with his agent.”

Fifa’s football stakeholders committee last year recommended that there should be regulation to limit multiple representations to avoid such conflicts, and a cap of 10 per cent of agents’ commissions on transfer fees, but so far no such measures have yet been implemented.

Greg Dyke, the former FA chairman, said regulation of agents in the game was urgently needed. He told The Times: “The role of agents is one of the great untold scandals of modern football. For years everyone has known one of the biggest problems in football — if not the biggest — are the agents and the inability of Fifa, Uefa and the FA to regulate them.

“Not only can they represent both the player and a club, you even get the ridiculous situation where they represent both sides of the same deal. All the clubs moan about agents and then they all pay them.

“This has to be done by Fifa and Uefa — the FA can’t attempt to take it on alone, and the last attempt by Fifa to regulate agents failed dismally.”

Two years ago, the Football Leaks cache resulted in European media organisations publishing emails from the Wolves executive chairman, Jeff Shi, who also works for Fosun, to a Gestifute contact in 2016 saying: “You always know the reason for the investment of Wolves is mainly because of our bet and trust on Jorge. Jorge can take Wolves as the most reliable partner and agency revenue source for long, long time.”

Gestifute and Wolves declined to comment when approached by The Times, but a source close to Mendes insisted that he deals with clubs from all over the world — for example Rúben Dias, the Portugal defender signed by Manchester City this window for £62 million, is another of his clients — and pointed out the Wolves-Gestifute relationship was cleared by the EFL and the FA in 2018.

“Jorge always looks for the best options for the players and for all clubs,” the source said.

Even in this era of relative austerity in the transfer market because of the Covid-19 pandemic, it appears that Mendes at least, and thanks in no small measure to his Wolves connections, has contrived to ensure that his money supply has remained in full flow.

They're starting to turn the big guns towards us now, Chief Sports writer of The Times no less.
 
I had my United supporting mate in Ludlow messaging me last night asking if I preferred the days in the lower leagues with players like Bull and Mutch rather than now where we just 'write cheques for £30m', bit like after West Ham when he sniped that we would have to write out another large cheque.

A United fan ffs - I asked him if he was taking the piss and whether he would still support his cuntish club if they plummeted down the leagues and almost went out of business. He apologised saying he didn't mean to offend me...
 

The rest of that sentence amuses me too

just how the relationship complies with the rules is not clear: the FA will not give details but merely states it has had confirmation from Wolves and relevant parties including Mendes about their ongoing compliance with its intermediary regulations.

Journalists: "We don't like the look of this so it must be illegal"

FA "It's fine"

Journalists "Prove it"

FA "No, but trust us it's fine"

Journalists "Hmm, something is wrong here"
 
Even in this era of relative austerity in the transfer market because of the Covid-19 pandemic, it appears that Mendes at least, and thanks in no small measure to his Wolves connections, has contrived to ensure that his money supply has remained in full flow.

And if it (a) not illegal (b) provides a successful stream of players in and out of Wolves who can blame him? I dont see Wolves is registered as a charity and neither is Mendes or his business. It smacks of petty jealousy that we got it sorted first. Be prepared though. The league or Fifa or Uefa whoever has the appropriate power will end up changing the rules. We need to be an established top side before they do just like Man City and FFP.
 
"just how the relationship complies with the rules is not clear"

I believe that because Jorge is not a paid employee of the club, holds no shares in the club and has no % of the players ownership.

Yes it looks wrong and any other club we would be looking over commenting (see Arsenal when it was announced they are going to use 1 man going forward and fired half their scouting team) but fucks sake, its been 3 years now. Find a new angle
 
Notice they don’t mention Man Utd and their pet agent, presumably that’s completely different?
 
It's not even as if it gives us an unfair advantage. We don't exactly splash cash around like Chelsea, City, Everton, Utd, even West Ham. Brighton had a bigger net spend than us last season didn't they?

I could understand to a degree people getting snippy in the Championship about us having an advantage (you still have to do something with those good players when you get them, incidentally), but in the cesspool of the PL? Do me a favour
 
It is morally bankrupt, but football has been that for 25 years. The Doherty sale is ethically but not legally wrong. We've overpaid for Silva, potential or otherwise, even our Portuguese poster said so and a substantial amount of that went to Mendes again immoral, but not illegal.

If journalists have an issue with the way agents suck money out of football, instead of finding examples they find reprehensible they should keep protesting to FIFA and not let go. These kind of articles insinuating loads and alleging nothing are just a bit pathetic.
 
What we’re doing isn’t illegal but is dodgy as. Don’t know why we all get so bent out of shape about it.

We wouldn’t be happy if another team were benefitting from a system we weren’t/ couldn’t use.

Same as I wouldn’t be be very happy if another fan was getting first refusal on away tickets based on who they knew rather than the system I had to use.
 
They just prefer clubs like us to stay in our box. That's why if Sheff Utd go down or narrowly stay up it will be ideal, perfectly suits the 'be plucky but don't get ideas' attitude
 
What we’re doing isn’t illegal but is dodgy as. Don’t know why we all get so bent out of shape about it.

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its not so much getting bent of our shape but tired of the same story. What is in that article is no different to anything printed when Leeds and Villa were crying. It wouldn't be so bad if they found a new angle on it rather than repeating the same bollocks.
 
I think its naïve to assume every other club isn't trying to do exactly the same as us.
 
What we’re doing isn’t illegal but is dodgy as. Don’t know why we all get so bent out of shape about it.

We wouldn’t be happy if another team were benefitting from a system we weren’t/ couldn’t use.

Same as I wouldn’t be be very happy if another fan was getting first refusal on away tickets based on who they knew rather than the system I had to use.
My issue is that it's the system which is corrupt, Wolves are just playing it, but instead of looking to make meaningful change by campaigning at the highest echelons they write snooty pieces like this.

In it's purest sense I don't like our relationship with Mendes or that we are open to being called Mendes FC, I find it morally and ethically questionable...but admire what the club are doing within the boundaries of what's allowed, why shouldn't they?

Don't like the rules, then get them changed, the power of the world's press couldn't be totally ignored, but whilst those rules are in place then you can keep the high and mighty lectures.
 
What we’re doing isn’t illegal but is dodgy as. Don’t know why we all get so bent out of shape about it.

We wouldn’t be happy if another team were benefitting from a system we weren’t/ couldn’t use.

Same as I wouldn’t be be very happy if another fan was getting first refusal on away tickets based on who they knew rather than the system I had to use.

Yeah, we have to accept the questions being raised. Sports journalism in general tends to be either sycophantic or toothless - though I'd prefer to get some actual reporting on the reality behind our dodgy setup rather than the two kinds of articles we tend to get: access puff pieces from Spiers or "I have no evidence here, but if I did, it would be damning" that comes up in columns.
 
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