Summer 2021 transfer window

[prawnking]

I don't think we'll sign José unless he goes on some kind of crazy scoring run (seems unlikely), we just don't shell out those kind of sums on players of that profile.

If he were half the price then maybe but why would Sociedad agree to that?

We can't play down the transfer fees of Neto/Jordao, Fab, Semedo (I've read 'it's not your money!' a few times since the summer) and then make it the most important factor in a deal like Jose's.

Either it matters or it doesn't?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Don't think I've ever said that?

Point is how often do we chuck that kind of money at someone who clearly will have no resale value whatsoever, whatever happens while he's at Wolves? Just doesn't happen. Especially when he hasn't been very good on loan.

Also I really don't get this "we don't know how Raul will come back" stuff. Well nothing is a given, but what evidence is there to suggest his game will be compromised? Pretty much none as far as I can see. In a tiny minority of cases, players with skull injuries can't come back at all. Clearly that looks highly unlikely to be the case as he's stepping up training as we speak. Otherwise, it makes no difference.

Jonny's injury was far more critical for a footballer, he's come back exactly the same as he was before. Ahead of schedule too.

 

[prawnking]

Don't think I've ever said that?

Point is how often do we chuck that kind of money at someone who clearly will have no resale value whatsoever, whatever happens while he's at Wolves? Just doesn't happen. Especially when he hasn't been very good on loan.

Also I really don't get this "we don't know how Raul will come back" stuff. Well nothing is a given, but what evidence is there to suggest his game will be compromised? Pretty much none as far as I can see. In a tiny minority of cases, players with skull injuries can't come back at all. Clearly that looks highly unlikely to be the case as he's stepping up training as we speak. Otherwise, it makes no difference.

Jonny's injury was far more critical for a footballer, he's come back exactly the same as he was before. Ahead of schedule too.

I wasn't intending to suggest you'd directly said that, can't remember everyone who had, but I've noticed a tendency to dismiss transfer fees when they relate to players we want to do well, and highlight them when we're unsure/unconvinced of someone.

I take your point about him not fitting the profile, depends what Nuno's plan is for any future possible Raul absence, now he's seen where it leads us.

He may feel he can get more out of WJ, especially once he's settled and had a pre-season with us. I'm not sold on the idea myself currently, but I agree with Jinky that I wouldn't feel comfortable going into next season with just Raul and Fab as our striker options.

 

[Trips]

I wasn't intending to suggest you'd directly said that, can't remember everyone who had, but I've noticed a tendency to dismiss transfer fees when they relate to players we want to do well, and highlight them when we're unsure/unconvinced of someone.

I take your point about him not fitting the profile, depends what Nuno's plan is for any future possible Raul absence, now he's seen where it leads us.

He may feel he can get more out of WJ, especially once he's settled and had a pre-season with us. I'm not sold on the idea myself currently, but I agree with Jinky that I wouldn't feel comfortable going into next season with just Raul and Fab as our striker options.

The thing on transfer fees for me is that with the likes of Neto/Jordao/Fabio as you mentioned, and similar to when we signed Neves in the Championship, is if they work out then their value goes up, and if it doesnt work we still make some money back when we sell them.

Sign a 30 year old for £22m, you arent making anything back if it doesn't work out. If it comes off happy days, we spent the money and he delivers.

 

[prawnking]

The thing on transfer fees for me is that with the likes of Neto/Jordao/Fabio as you mentioned, and similar to when we signed Neves in the Championship, is if they work out then their value goes up, and if it doesnt work we still make some money back when we sell them.

Sign a 30 year old for £22m, you arent making anything back if it doesn't work out. If it comes off happy days, we spent the money and he delivers.

Who's the 30 year old? WJ has only just turned 29!

You don't have to convince me that transfer fees mean something, that's always been my position.

I take the point about resale value, but when anyone questions the eye-watering £60m we spent on Fab and Nelson it's quickly dismissed. If they both don't work out would we get even half that back?

As i said I agree it doesn't fit the previous Fosun profile, but that's not necessarily set in stone.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I am afraid that you have to put me in the camp that I would be very nervous if Fabio and Raulwere the only two strikers. WJ has to do better but I do not think he looks as bad as some of the others on here do and he certainly has attributes that Fabio does not have. We are one and a half games into the bee formula with Traore left and Neto right. Give me another month and he will have had 10 or 12 games there and I can make up my mind. Strikers, particularly those who are target men and link play, are very hard to find and attract quite a premium. If WJ does ok or better then we should sign him. It’s still a bit to early. I have seen enough to know that Fabio lacks strength and pace for a lone target man and he may do better with the winger swap system. Again, give him a few more games as sub to show it. Semedo is settling in , so even though he looks expensive it’s not a bomb.

 

[Carrotdude]

I would rather we signed a wide forward who can play centrally instead of Jose. I’m fine with Fabio being the backup and if there’s a long term injury to Raul again then an inside forward type player can go through the middle to ease the burden. Also means we aren’t reliant on Traore and Neto as Podence seems to get an injury every few weeks.
Basically I want another Jota . Id take Minamino tbh!

 

[AndyWolves]

This is interesting

Player Comparison: Fábio Silva vs. Willian José | FBref.com

Player Comparison: Fábio Silva vs. Willian José

fbref.com

My summation of the stats is that Silva presses and tackles more but Jose doesn't lose as many aerial duels. Silva has missed more chances but Jose rarely shoots.

Edit. Silva under performs by 0.22 goals per match whereas Jose underperforms by 0.1 goals per match

Edit2. The aerial duels thing is interesting, they've won more or less the same but Silva has lost way more. Does this coincide with the wider wingers thing and us launching the ball at his head? Maybe that's why he's not holding the ball up? (He needs more muscle for sure, but maybe playing to his strengths would help too)

 

[Throbber3]

I would rather we signed a wide forward who can play centrally instead of Jose. I’m fine with Fabio being the backup and if there’s a long term injury to Raul again then an inside forward type player can go through the middle to ease the burden. Also means we aren’t reliant on Traore and Neto as Podence seems to get an injury every few weeks.
Basically I want another Jota . Id take Minamino tbh!

But is that how we play? Part of the need for a physical presence is defensive. WJ and Raul both have a role at set pieces and WJ has already made some important defensive headers. Jota never did that and nor does Neto or Traore. So if we go down the route you suggest we may need to compensate by signing a taller centre half or , god forbid , playing Otasowie () who is six foot 2. WJ really needs a goal , but we said that about Fabio and he still needs a goal!

I would take Nathan Redmond or Lookman

 

[Paul]

This is interesting


My summation of the stats is that Silva presses and tackles more but Jose doesn't lose as many aerial duels. Silva has missed more chances but Jose rarely shoots.

I could have told you that

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Don't think I've ever said that?

Point is how often do we chuck that kind of money at someone who clearly will have no resale value whatsoever, whatever happens while he's at Wolves? Just doesn't happen. Especially when he hasn't been very good on loan.

Also I really don't get this "we don't know how Raul will come back" stuff. Well nothing is a given, but what evidence is there to suggest his game will be compromised? Pretty much none as far as I can see. In a tiny minority of cases, players with skull injuries can't come back at all. Clearly that looks highly unlikely to be the case as he's stepping up training as we speak. Otherwise, it makes no difference.

Jonny's injury was far more critical for a footballer, he's come back exactly the same as he was before. Ahead of schedule too.

At last some sense regarding Raul....

I got pissed of last week with the amount of Posts questioning Rauls return.

He will be back

 

[YoungWolf]

Edit2. The aerial duels thing is interesting, they've won more or less the same but Silva has lost way more. Does this coincide with the wider wingers thing and us launching the ball at his head? Maybe that's why he's not holding the ball up? (He needs more muscle for sure, but maybe playing to his strengths would help too)

Fabio has played more minutes I assume? So will have had more aerial duels to compete in. Toggling the per90 helps to compare better (but still better with bigger sample sizes)

 

[Johnny75]

Fabio has played more minutes I assume? So will have had more aerial duels to compete in. Toggling the per90 helps to compare better (but still better with bigger sample sizes)

I wouldn't be placing much value on either set of stats as the sample size is tiny. I find the problem with aerial duels (terrible name for a stat) is that they don't always consider that the player (WJ) may well be chesting the ball down with the defender behind him not going for the ball as they have no chance, whereas with Silva they always have a chance as they can muscle him out of the way.

 

[AndyWolves]

Fabio has played more minutes I assume? So will have had more aerial duels to compete in. Toggling the per90 helps to compare better (but still better with bigger sample sizes)

Yeah, I did

Who knew lamping it at an 18 year olds head wouldn't work!

 

[AndyWolves]

I wouldn't be placing much value on either set of stats as the sample size is tiny. I find the problem with aerial duels (terrible name for a stat) is that they don't always consider that the player (WJ) may well be chesting the ball down with the defender behind him not going for the ball as they have no chance, whereas with Silva they always have a chance as they can muscle him out of the way.

WJ has 1.08 pass types of other (i.e. not using head or feet) whereas Silva has 0.48 pass types of other, both over a 90 minute period

Interestingly, Silva has slightly more headed passes per game than WJ

 

[The Bion]

I can see a situation where we maybe loan a striker for a year (with option, preferably) rather than buying. We did do that with Raul, after all - he settled, we paid the option, job done.

It's such a pivotal position in how we play we really have to get the right fit.

Vinicius might become a possibility again, I guess?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'd rather have José than him. He's awful.

 

[AndyWolves]

Apparently Tammy Abraham doesn't want to sign a new contract at Chelsea as they're after Haaland.

I'm not sure he's what we want now though, I think he'd be very expensive as a backup striker and can't play in any other positions

 

[Trips]

He will want a move to be a first choice somewhere, may as well sit on Chelsea's bench if he's going to be a back-up. He won't be here

 

[AndyWolves]

Brighton or Palace then I reckon