Summer 2021 transfer window

[AndyWolves]

I've listened to all the responses, and am replying directly to them.

I keep being told Neves is one of the best players in his position in this league.....
But the fee Wolves, and fans, would take for him, is very low if that was true.

Not many sides in this league, would sell their better players for just £40 million.
Not sides with ambition, anyway.

Are you bored and trying to WUM here or something?

 

[Jinky]

But the reports are that he could be available for £40 million!
Was Jota brought in by Mendes too? Because if so, combined with the fact he went for just £45 million, would be a worry to me.

Using Wolves as a feeder club to get his players into the PL, then move them on for below the fee they should demand, doesn't see like it's short term thinking.
I'd just worry, that from the outside at least, it feels as though Wolves are far more reliant on Mendes....Than Mendes is on Wolves.

And now he's looking to get Traore moved out too.

Sorry mate but a large chunk of this is bollocks. We’ve already had Neves for 3 x seasons longer than the majority of people on here expected.

Sounds like Adama will be signing a new contract, too.

“BUT JOTA!” - football club in selling player who, at the time, isn’t in their best 11 shocker.

 

[WsWolf]

Really really like Fofana. Under the radar player but he's similar to Tchouameni in style, obviously not the same ceiling and as such not the same hype but he'd be the absolutely perfect foil for Neves, provides legs and defensive ability that frees him up to get on the ball. Hope this one is true.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Not many sides in this league, would sell their better players for just £40 million.
Not sides with ambition, anyway.

This you?

Imagine being League Champions and selling your best midfielder for barely £30m to a rival.

No AmBiShUn!

Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

 

[WsWolf]

I've listened to all the responses, and am replying directly to them.

I keep being told Neves is one of the best players in his position in this league.....
But the fee Wolves, and fans, would take for him, is very low if that was true.

Not many sides in this league, would sell their better players for just £40 million.
Not sides with ambition, anyway.

And neither would wolves. If he was available for 40m he'd have already gone.

 

[Tony Towner]

I've listened to all the responses, and am replying directly to them.

I keep being told Neves is one of the best players in his position in this league.....
But the fee Wolves, and fans, would take for him, is very low if that was true.

Not many sides in this league, would sell their better players for just £40 million.
Not sides with ambition, anyway

I'll take Jota first because you repeatedly say that £45m undervalued him. These are the facts:
At the point of selling he wasn't in our first choice 11
We were playing a 343 and attempting (badly) a more possession based rather than counter attacking style, neither of which got the best put of him
His PL form for the prior 2 years was streaky, when he was hot he was hot, but his goals and best performances tended to come in bunches, sometimes with up to a dozen iffy ones in between
There were Wolves fans who didn't like the sale - I was one, but nobody questioned the value element, nobody

On Neves
Firstly, I can only speak for on this forum, but I don't think anyone wants him to go. There is an acknowledgment from some that after 4 years he's entitled to a shot at a bigger club should Utd come calling. He joined us and played at a level below where he should have done, due to a combination of Nuno and Mendes and there's an appreciation of that. We see Neves as a better player than he's probably seen elsewhere, because under Nuno's system some of his strengths were sacrificed for the wider team. He spent a lot of his time screening the defence and holding shape meaning he didn't have the opportunity to showcase some of his better assets such as through balls higher up the pitch which we saw more of in the Championship. As long as we aren't a car crash this season, he'll have the opportunity to show that more, but the player the rest of the PL have seen probably is worth about £40m or so, he's better than that though
There was a strong rumour that we needed to sell either him or Adama to fund alternative acquisitions, so an element of that plays in
Finally our ownership look at what did we pay and what did we receive, they'd see receiving circa £25m more than we paid as a good POR

 

[sycophantia]

I'm not saying he is, or isn't.

But those clubs wouldn't accept the kind of reported fees being rumoured in the media for Neves.
Just like Bissouma too.

We haven't accepted anything yet, nor have we seen a price apart from some 'journalists'

 

[Jabbawolf]

I've listened to all the responses, and am replying directly to them.

I keep being told Neves is one of the best players in his position in this league.....
But the fee Wolves, and fans, would take for him, is very low if that was true.

Not many sides in this league, would sell their better players for just £40 million.
Not sides with ambition, anyway.

Seems I’m not alone in finding your narrative and delivery grating….

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I'll take Jota first because you repeatedly say that £45m undervalued him. These are the facts:
At the point of selling he wasn't in our first choice 11
We were playing a 343 and attempting (badly) a more possession based rather than counter attacking style, neither of which got the best put of him
His PL form for the prior 2 years was streaky, when he was hot he was hot, but his goals and best performances tended to come in bunches, sometimes with up to a dozen iffy ones in between
There were Wolves fans who didn't like the sale - I was one, but nobody questioned the value element, nobody

On Neves
Firstly, I can only speak for on this forum, but I don't think anyone wants him to go. There is an acknowledgment from some that after 4 years he's entitled to a shot at a bigger club should Utd come calling. He joined us and played at a level below where he should have done, due to a combination of Nuno and Mendes and there's an appreciation of that. We see Neves as a better player than he's probably seen elsewhere, because under Nuno's system some of his strengths were sacrificed for the wider team. He spent a lot of his time screening the defence and holding shape meaning he didn't have the opportunity to showcase some of his better assets such as through balls higher up the pitch which we saw more of in the Championship. As long as we aren't a car crash this season, he'll have the opportunity to show that more, but the player the rest of the PL have seen probably is worth about £40m or so, he's better than that though
There was a strong rumour that we needed to sell either him or Adama to fund alternative acquisitions, so an element of that plays in
Finally our ownership look at what did we pay and what did we receive, they'd see receiving circa £25m more than we paid as a good POR

Jota left before there was any attempt to transition to a more possession based style of play, something which was largely over egged anyway.

The team had, not unlike himself, just gone off the boil for a prolonged period.

 

[Kenny]

He also went because Liverpool wanted him and Jota wanted Liverpool, so form/formations went out the window at that point

 

[Tony Towner]

Jota left before there was any attempt to transition to a more possession based style of play, something which was largely over egged anyway.

The team had, not unlike himself, just gone off the boil for a prolonged period.

Decision had been made though. It wasn't over egged it was a genuine attempt which failed spectacularly at West Ham which forced a rethink

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Decision had been made though. It wasn't over egged it was a genuine attempt which failed spectacularly at West Ham which forced a rethink

No game I saw looked all much different to what had gone on previously, other than sporadically changing to a back 4 which apparently made everyone forget they'd ever played football before. The team had been much less effective for a long time before there was any of that concerted change in my opinion.

I don't think Jota's sale had anything to do with that personally, they sold him because his head was turned and the money was seemingly right, the other change would've been half attempted either way.

 

[leon0286]

This you?

Imagine being League Champions and selling your best midfielder for barely £30m to a rival.

No AmBiShUn!

Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

I'm not sure why you're taking such a defensive stance for someone just asking questions, about something they don't have all the facts of.
I don't know the inner workings of Wolves, so I wanted to ask....Rather than make assumptions.

Obviously from the outside, my conclusion would be different to an actual Wolves fan.


I didn't realise that Diego Jota had a release clause of £45 million, now that I do, obviously I now understand why he was sold for that fee.

 

[Quirkafleeg]

Leicester fan probably runs back to his native forum giggling and laughing to his fwends 'Got these Wolves fans on strings' LOLOLOLULULULZ

 

[Derby Wolf]

I'm not sure why you're taking such a defensive stance for someone just asking questions, about something they don't have all the facts of.
I don't know the inner workings of Wolves, so I wanted to ask....Rather than make assumptions.

Obviously from the outside, my conclusion would be different to an actual Wolves fan.


I didn't realise that Diego Jota had a release clause of £45 million, now that I do, obviously I now understand why he was sold for that fee.

No post today has stated Diogo Jota had a release clause of £45m except yours.

So if you already had that 'knowledge' why are you asking questions you already had the answers to?

Lets say you did only learn about this supposed release fee then you made assumptions you claimed you didn't want to make in suggesting the club have no ambition?

Please don't confuse the lack of substance in your posts with defensiveness on my part, if your posts can't stand upto scrutiny its because you're talking bollocks.

 

[leon0286]

No post today has stated Diogo Jota had a release clause of £45m except yours.

So if you already had that 'knowledge' why are you asking questions you already had the answers to?

Lets say you did only learn about this supposed release fee then you made assumptions you claimed you didn't want to make in suggesting the club have no ambition?

Please don't confuse the lack of substance in your posts with defensiveness on my part, if your posts can't stand upto scrutiny its because you're talking bollocks.

You've just posted a transfer involving Kante, which only happened because of a release clause.
So where is the relevance to the Jota deal?

I didn't believe Jota had a release clause.....But you comparing Kante/Jota deals, suggests he did.

 

[Alan]

The Jota deal was simple. He wanted to go and Liverpool offered a price that meant out net gain on him was over 100% of what we paid.

No great mystery there, IMO.

 

[Derby Wolf]

You've just posted a transfer involving Kante, which only happened because of a release clause.
So where is the relevance to the Jota deal?

I didn't believe Jota had a release clause.....But you comparing Kante/Jota deals, suggests he did.

Disingenuous nonsense. You were saying £40m for Neves wasn't enough, I posted a link highlighting you sold a title winning midfielder for less than that.

Enjoy the rest of your stay.

 

[leon0286]

Disingenuous nonsense. You were saying £40m for Neves wasn't enough, I posted a link highlighting you sold a title winning midfielder for less than that.

Enjoy the rest of your stay.

But we wouldn't have accepted £40 million for Kante....Kante went, because of a release clause.

We wouldn't sell Ndidi now, for example, for double that fee.
We turned down £50 million from Arsenal for Maddison this summer.
We turned down £60 and £70 million for Maguire.....and £40 million for Chilwell.
We turned down £50 and £60 million for Mahrez.

If you think £40 million for Neves is enough, he's clearly not the level of player I thought he was.

 

[WolfMan]

But we wouldn't have accepted £40 million for Kante....Kante went, because of a release clause.

We wouldn't sell Ndidi now, for example, for double that fee.
We turned down £50 million from Arsenal for Maddison this summer.
We turned down £60 and £70 million for Maguire.....and £40 million for Chilwell.
We turned down £50 and £60 million for Mahrez.

If you think £40 million for Neves is enough, he's clearly not the level of player I thought he was.

Weren't you on here a few days ago saying Neves didn't look that good from the outside?