The Transfer Thread 2022/23- Everything not Wolves

[Kenny]

Plenty of things on the Traore deal to moan about and be confused on but the Trincao type deal is pretty standard these days.
Loan with no fee with the option to sign. Don't sign you just pay what the loan fee should have been. We did that with Jose and other clubs do it.
You are paying a fee regardless just a matter of when you pay it.
Successful loan you pay it and then the rest of the transfer fee.
Bag of nails loan you just pay the loan fee.
Nowt wrong from us on that point and if Barca use that to cover money owed to Traore that is fuck all to do with our failings. Now the Adama "deal" is a strange one even taking into account the players desire to join them and us getting his wages off the books for a few months but does generally highlight what looks from the outside as incompetence of those doing our deals.

On that point...bring on the summer transfer window...

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Brenden Aaronson (whose name seems to spelled incorrectly on about three counts) to Leeds. £29m from Salzburg. Looks a horrendous deal on the face of it, scored a whole four goals this season in the Austrian top flight which is a shocking standard.

 

[Lupo]

Villa sign Diego Carlos from Sevilla

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

A lot of money for someone who's 30 next season.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

A lot of money for someone who's 30 next season.

Doesn't matter too much if he's good.

Villa getting their shit done early, we'll sell Neves on the final days of the window and then say we didn't have time to get anyone in.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

He gave away penalties in each of the QF, SF and Final of the Europa league? Adama being one of them.

I still wonder what may have happened if Raul scores that penalty, would we have held on?

But the worst thing about all of that was that we didn't get to have a leg at Molineux, it would have been unreal.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There's only so much "it doesn't matter" you can say. Kamara is on £150k+ a week, Coutinho around the same (clearly no resale value there), £30m + wages for this guy, they're throwing everything at it for sure but where's the actual planning? They don't have a Grealish to sell every year.

Us being shit is neither here nor there.

 

[Tony Towner]

Villa are the new Everton. If they don't break the top 4 then they'll go the same FFP way eventually

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Villa are the new Everton. If they don't break the top 4 then they'll go the same FFP way eventually

What punishments have Everton received from FFP?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

What punishments have Everton received from FFP?

Not being able to improve their current rubbish squad?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

There's only so much "it doesn't matter" you can say. Kamara is on £150k+ a week, Coutinho around the same (clearly no resale value there), £30m + wages for this guy, they're throwing everything at it for sure but where's the actual planning? They don't have a Grealish to sell every year.

Us being shit is neither here nor there.

Well they needed a better CB and a better CM and they have signed them both, before the end of May!

That seems pretty good planning to me.

They're an entirely different model to us, they will take the fact they don't have resale value on the chin, i think the only player Wolves have signed where they didn't hope for a resale value was Moutinho (obviously there are other players that ended up being poor signings Cutrone for one)

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Not being able to improve their current rubbish squad?

Well they signed Alli for a fair few quid didn't they.

But they haven't received a punishment have they?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

They've paid nothing for Alli as it stands. They owe Spurs about £10m when he plays 20 games or so. The rest is all if he's any good, which he won't be.

Point is if you get in a hole with FFP domestically you get stuck with crap players and don't have any way to replace them with anything better unless you drop really lucky or your Academy suddenly bears fruit all at the same time.

Villa don't have a strategy, they just throw money around.

 

[Tony Towner]

Alli hasn't cost them anything other than wages. It's appearance based and thus far he hasn't made enough

 

[Jinky]

Not being funny, but I would have all three of the players - Coutinho, Kamara & now Carlos - at Wolves in a heartbeat. Cracking business by Villa & the small slap on the wrist that they *might* at some point receive will be minimal compared to the impact of these signings anyway.

Currently they are showing Shi & co how to be proactive from the off in a transfer window. Meanwhile, we’re scrambling around trying to secure the £3m signing of a back up American goalkeeper…

Genuinely worried about next season. All the clubs that finished above us season will likely do the same again next. Then you’ve got Newcastle who will spend millions who will no doubt overtake us, Palace looked on the right path under big Pat, Villa will overtake us, Southampton could easily finish top 10, Everton can’t possibly be anywhere near as bad.

We’re in trouble & they need to get their shit together and start doing some positive business.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

They've paid nothing for Alli as it stands. They owe Spurs about £10m when he plays 20 games or so. The rest is all if he's any good, which he won't be.

Point is if you get in a hole with FFP domestically you get stuck with crap players and don't have any way to replace them with anything better unless you drop really lucky or your Academy suddenly bears fruit all at the same time.

Villa don't have a strategy, they just throw money around.

But you don't get a financial or points penalty from the league, they just let you carry on, so it's totally worth owners rolling the dice, especially ones as wealthy as Villa's.

Kamara and Carlos are excellent signings, just seems a bit bitter of Wolves fans to go "ooh, what about FFP though" when they are massively below that ceiling.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Not being funny, but I would have all three of the players - Coutinho, Kamara & now Carlos - at Wolves in a heartbeat. Cracking business by Villa & the small slap on the wrist that they *might* at some point receive will be minimal compared to the impact of these signings anyway.

They're all good players. However they're all very expensive in their own way and two of them will walk away for either a small fee or nothing. You can't keep running a club that way under the current rules, it catches up with you eventually. It's not about getting a fine or whatever (no-one has been fined in the PL as yet and probably never will be), it's what it does to your activity 2-3 years down the line when they're worthless assets and your books are all over the place.

How well did chucking £60m + wages on Ings and Bailey work out for them last season? They're not bad players, but there's no deep thinking behind it at all.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But you don't get a financial or points penalty from the league, they just let you carry on, so it's totally worth owners rolling the dice, especially ones as wealthy as Villa's.

Kamara and Carlos are excellent signings, just seems a bit bitter of Wolves fans to go "ooh, what about FFP though" when they are massively below that ceiling.

Bitter?

I just think it's a shit way to run a club.

We're bad in our own different way. Man Utd finished above us this season despite being shit and a war crime of a football club, am I allowed to say they're a joke?

 

[Tony Towner]

I don't get what being a Wolves fan has to do with it? They are signing players in their 30s for large fees and big salaries. It's only sustainable if they make the CL. I wouldn't touch Coutinho, by the end of the season he wasn't playing in most away games because he was a liability. Anyone see his 'performance' at Molineux?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Villa are the new Everton. If they don't break the top 4 then they'll go the same FFP way eventually

They were the blue print for that failed approach under O'Neill too.