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Alan

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Having lived under his governorship, I can assure you that DeSantis has no brain.

He’s Trump with lipstick, no more and no less.
 

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The scariest thing about the anti-abortion brigade is seeing dozens of young women celebrating the law being overturned. Brainwashed by religious ideology that doesn't give the tiniest shit about their rights as individuals or the rights of the foetuses they claim to protect.

It just makes me sad. Hopefully in a century or two from now religion will be in the vast minority for 99% of the world, and it'll stop being something used to subjugate people.
 

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The scariest thing about the anti-abortion brigade is seeing dozens of young women celebrating the law being overturned. Brainwashed by religious ideology that doesn't give the tiniest shit about their rights as individuals or the rights of the foetuses they claim to protect.

It just makes me sad. Hopefully in a century or two from now religion will be in the vast minority for 99% of the world, and it'll stop being something used to subjugate people.
It's people using religion as a crutch for their power. Particularly in America.
 

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The scariest thing about the anti-abortion brigade is seeing dozens of young women celebrating the law being overturned. Brainwashed by religious ideology that doesn't give the tiniest shit about their rights as individuals or the rights of the foetuses they claim to protect.

It just makes me sad. Hopefully in a century or two from now religion will be in the vast minority for 99% of the world, and it'll stop being something used to subjugate people.
I think this is an oversimplification. There are arguments that aren’t religion based, especially when you start to look at mid to late term which is what the Dobbs ruling is on. After 15 weeks.
 

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Not that any of you will understand it, but the ruling the Supreme Court made has nothing to do with whether anyone believes abortions should be allowed or not and everything to do with the laws of the United States as written. People must vote for their representatives to legislate their desired abortion laws.
 

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Well you've got the forums right wing nutjob on your side so there's that.

Due to an accident of timing, Trump got to select 3 of the SC members, 2 of which are Christian Fundamentalists with the express purpose of reading the constitution this way. There are States in the South where it will be illegal to have an abortion if the woman has been raped or if carrying the baby threatens her life, they made the decision in full knoweldge of this. Saying it is for the States to decide is disingenuous when you know what that decision will be and how it affects every woman's right to choose.

It has EVERYTHING to do with whether they believe abortions should be allowed.
 

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The ruling is that it is not enumerated in the constitution as a right. You can make an amendment that it is a right if you wish to go that route. There is no reason you can’t legalize it federally, it doesn’t have to be a state issue. That law just doesn’t exist federally currently.
 

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You’re not wrong in the same way that it’s not wrong to say the American Civil War was about federalism.
 

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As you know it couldn't be passed Federally unless the Democrats have the House and Senate and even then it'd be so toxic it would be delayed, challenged and filibustered at every turn.
 

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Then that’s what the people voted for…you can’t call yourself a just country if you rule based on emotions and not the law.
 

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You’re not wrong in the same way that it’s not wrong to say the American Civil War was about federalism.
Only would be a fair comparison if the pro-choice states want to secede in my opinion
 

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A failure is a failure no matter the exact source.
 

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Then that’s what the people voted for…you can’t call yourself a just country if you rule based on emotions and not the law.
What if you deliberately interpret that law for political means? Is that just?
 

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I personally believe in abortions being legal for any reason up to around 5-6 months and medical abortions being allowed at any time. However, I also think the Supreme Court made the correct and just ruling based on the laws that exist.
 

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What if you deliberately interpret that law for political means? Is that just?
No it’s not, which in my opinion is what occurred in the original Roe v Wade case. How you can read the constitution and determine it gives the right of abortion is beyond a loose interpretation in my opinion.
 
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