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WolfMan

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That's an excellent piece
It's one of the worst pieces of 'journalism' I've ever seen. How people can watch that and think it's good is beyond me.

Anyone with half a brain and the ability to read, really should know the following by now:

1.Ukraine has a Nazi Problem
2 Russia uses propaganda
3. Russia has disgracefully invaded Ukraine

Does 1 justify 3? No
Does 2 mean 1 is false? No
Does 1 justify 3? No

I never thought I'd see the day the BBC minimised the importance of Nazis, it's really quite something to witness. We're becoming quite incapable of holding two facts in our minds at the same time. Every issue must be reduced down to a simple goodies versus baddies narrative.

For someone so keen to protect life at the expense of virtually everything else during the Covid pandemic, you're very brave and/or blasé about supplying lethal weapons to another country during a war. You either don't believe you and your loved ones are at risk of dying as a direct consequence, or feel so strongly about the issue that the risk is worth taking. It's obvious which one it is.

It's this sort of thing that could lead to millions of people being killed. No-one in England seriously thought what was happening in faraway Serbia could affect them before just WW1 broke out. If you think that's over the top, look at the war memorials scattered all around you and ask yourself, did the average person envisage them being necessary in 1913? . An inscription on the Cenotaph in Singapore reads "They die, so we might live", these monuments were erected as a warning as well as a remembrance.
 

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It's one of the worst pieces of 'journalism' I've ever seen. How people can watch that and think it's good is beyond me.

Anyone with half a brain and the ability to read, really should know the following by now:

1.Ukraine has a Nazi Problem
2 Russia uses propaganda
3. Russia has disgracefully invaded Ukraine

Does 1 justify 3? No
Does 2 mean 1 is false? No
Does 1 justify 3? No

I never thought I'd see the day the BBC minimised the importance of Nazis, it's really quite something to witness. We're becoming quite incapable of holding two facts in our minds at the same time. Every issue must be reduced down to a simple goodies versus baddies narrative.

For someone so keen to protect life at the expense of virtually everything else during the Covid pandemic, you're very brave and/or blasé about supplying lethal weapons to another country during a war. You either don't believe you and your loved ones are at risk of dying as a direct consequence, or feel so strongly about the issue that the risk is worth taking. It's obvious which one it is.

It's this sort of thing that could lead to millions of people being killed. No-one in England seriously thought what was happening in faraway Serbia could affect them before just WW1 broke out. If you think that's over the top, look at the war memorials scattered all around you and ask yourself, did the average person envisage them being necessary in 1913? . An inscription on the Cenotaph in Singapore reads "They die, so we might live", these monuments were erected as a warning as well as a remembrance.
That's quite something.

I'm more concerned about Russia than I am about a handful of extremists.

Edit. My family is more at risk from Putin's nukes than a handful of extremists with anti-tank weaponry. You only have to look at what Russia have been up to over the last decade to understand why they are a much, much greater threat. One of the reasons arming Ukraine is to stop NATO getting actively involved, which would lead to one of the scenarios you're worried about.

I feel, like with COVID, you're missing the bigger picture and have focused on one thing to the detriment of everything else. If Russia captures / occupies Ukraine then what, you think they'll just stop?
 
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More than four million refugees have fled Ukraine since Russia began its barbaric military campaign against the Ukrainian people just over a month ago. It has been described by the UN’s refugee agency as the fastest-growing refugee crisis since the Second World War. Poland is host to almost 2.5 million refugees, Romania just over 600,000, Moldova almost 400,000 and the whole of the EU has opened its borders to Ukrainian refugees, with no visa required. In contrast, the UK has issued fewer than 5,000 visas under the “Homes for Ukraine” scheme, not even a sixth of the number of applications.
 

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More than four million refugees have fled Ukraine since Russia began its barbaric military campaign against the Ukrainian people just over a month ago. It has been described by the UN’s refugee agency as the fastest-growing refugee crisis since the Second World War. Poland is host to almost 2.5 million refugees, Romania just over 600,000, Moldova almost 400,000 and the whole of the EU has opened its borders to Ukrainian refugees, with no visa required. In contrast, the UK has issued fewer than 5,000 visas under the “Homes for Ukraine” scheme, not even a sixth of the number of applications.
It's a fucking disgrace
 

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My mate and his mrs have been officially stood down ( for the time being) he’s said lots of defences are being taken down, checkpoints removed, hasn’t handed the uniform, Molotov’s or guns back, just in case, the mood appears to be relief and a bit of joy that they’ve seen the Russians off with the Ukrainian equivalent of dads army.
 

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This is utterly incredible and also heartbreaking to think that Ukranians are going through this again.
I hope this lady is safe somewhere.

 

Del Woppio

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The Kyiv Independent saying there's been a chemical attack with drones made in Mariupol
 

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BREAKING: Police have raided Jersey premises suspected to be connected to the business activities of Roman Abramovich.

The Royal Court has imposed a freezing order over assets valued in excess of $7bn suspected to be connected to the Russian oligarch.

 

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I’m actually amazed it made it as far as being towed before sinking. Normally if the magazine goes up it breaks the ship’s back and it sinks in less than five minutes.
 

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There's pictures doing the rounds on social media supposedly of the Moskva showing live ammunition below deck just rolling about amongst other live rounds stood on end with straps around them to stop them falling over, so may not have been the ammo store that went up first, who knows?
 

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I’m actually amazed it made it as far as being towed before sinking. Normally if the magazine goes up it breaks the ship’s back and it sinks in less than five minutes.
I'm sure you could now assemble an authentic scale model of the Moskva 😉
 

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I reckon it might be in a few bits yes. I actually have seen a pro build of the wreck of the Yamato once. Looked amazing but I dont like smashing up a £300 kit!
 
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