Welcome to Wolves Ruben Neves

[Lycan]

Hello this is my first post I am a Porto fan and I sign up here to let you know what you should expect from Ruben Neves, Boly and Nuno Espírito Santo. Before i start i want to apologize you for my english. About Ruben Neves I can tell you he is a very gifted player he has very good passing, striking, and a wonderful technique, I don't know mutch about the Championship but I risk to say is one of the most talented players in the Championship if not the most. My concern about Ruben is that he is a soft player and here in Portugal that was already a problem and what make him lose space in the starting eleven to Danilo.
In Championship you have a very physical game and that problem can be more evindenced, however in the last couple of years he has improved is positioning, and that has dissembled that problem. I think this can go to ways or Ruben improve is intensity and agressiveness and he becomes one of the best defensive midfielders in the world or he can't improve that and he can really struggle in the Championship. My other concern about Ruben is that he stagnated in the last two years... Ruben showed up with 17 years in 2014 in the playoff of Champions League against Lille where he played fantastic football and we thought we have found one of the top players from the future but in the corse of time he would lose space to Danilo and he never recovered, since there I think he has not improved a lot on his game, maybe the positioning and outside striking but he has not take is game to the next level.
In my opinion you should play with two defensive midfielders, one more to recover and Ruben to create in order to get the best out of him.
That was my analysis to Ruben Neves, in their respective i would my analysis to Boly and Nuno Espírito Santo. I hope you like it...

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Thanks for that Goncalo. Your English is very good by the way!

 

[darlowolf64]

Hello this is my first post I am a Porto fan and I sign up here to let you know what you should expect from Ruben Neves, Boly and Nuno Espírito Santo. Before i start i want to apologize you for my english. About Ruben Neves I can tell you he is a very gifted player he has very good passing, striking, and a wonderful technique, I don't know mutch about the Championship but I risk to say is one of the most talented players in the Championship if not the most. My concern about Ruben is that he is a soft player and here in Portugal that was already a problem and what make him lose space in the starting eleven to Danilo.
In Championship you have a very physical game and that problem can be more evindenced, however in the last couple of years he has improved is positioning, and that has dissembled that problem. I think this can go to ways or Ruben improve is intensity and agressiveness and he becomes one of the best defensive midfielders in the world or he can't improve that and he can really struggle in the Championship. My other concern about Ruben is that he stagnated in the last two years... Ruben showed up with 17 years in 2014 in the playoff of Champions League against Lille where he played fantastic football and we thought we have found one of the top players from the future but in the corse of time he would lose space to Danilo and he never recovered, since there I think he has not improved a lot on his game, maybe the positioning and outside striking but he has not take is game to the next level.
In my opinion you should play with two defensive midfielders, one more to recover and Ruben to create in order to get the best out of him.
That was my analysis to Ruben Neves, in their respective i would my analysis to Boly and Nuno Espírito Santo. I hope you like it...

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Thank you Goncalo, I look forward to reading your views on Boly and Nuno

 

[Rui_CostCo]

Hello this is my first post I am a Porto fan and I sign up here to let you know what you should expect from Ruben Neves, Boly and Nuno Espírito Santo. Before i start i want to apologize you for my english. About Ruben Neves I can tell you he is a very gifted player he has very good passing, striking, and a wonderful technique, I don't know mutch about the Championship but I risk to say is one of the most talented players in the Championship if not the most. My concern about Ruben is that he is a soft player and here in Portugal that was already a problem and what make him lose space in the starting eleven to Danilo.
In Championship you have a very physical game and that problem can be more evindenced, however in the last couple of years he has improved is positioning, and that has dissembled that problem. I think this can go to ways or Ruben improve is intensity and agressiveness and he becomes one of the best defensive midfielders in the world or he can't improve that and he can really struggle in the Championship. My other concern about Ruben is that he stagnated in the last two years... Ruben showed up with 17 years in 2014 in the playoff of Champions League against Lille where he played fantastic football and we thought we have found one of the top players from the future but in the corse of time he would lose space to Danilo and he never recovered, since there I think he has not improved a lot on his game, maybe the positioning and outside striking but he has not take is game to the next level.
In my opinion you should play with two defensive midfielders, one more to recover and Ruben to create in order to get the best out of him.
That was my analysis to Ruben Neves, in their respective i would my analysis to Boly and Nuno Espírito Santo. I hope you like it...

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thank you , That's a thorough analysis. A few people have discussed another DM along side him previously. I think I'm quite happy with any risk inherent to signing Ruben. There was a risk in signing Costa, who up until the last week was the best player in the division.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Pav?

Ha ha I gave up on Mendez moans eons ago! This is getting to be a tired old joke now! But it still made me laugh.

 

[Jinky]

My German buddy pointed me in the direction of an article that made one of their major newspapers today, where they were very critical of Neves' transfer to Wolves, and the influence Mendes has. The article questions the motives of Neves in moving to a second tier English side.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...-englands-2-liga-wechselt.html#omsearchresult

Translation -

Why Porto's record captain in England's 2nd league?

How can it be that Portugal's Top talent Ruben Neves, the youngest captain of all time in the Champions League, changes to the Wolverhampton Wanderers? The answer says a lot about football today.

"This is a very big club", Ruben Neves is quoted this Saturday in a press release, and even if he had said so, he can hardly have meant that seriously. The club, which he was the last captain to take on as a 20-year-old, was FC Porto, and the club, which gave Neves' commitment to the press release, the English second division, Wolverhampton Wanderers.

Why is one of the biggest six-man talents in Europe, a 23-time Portuguese U-21 national player, who became the youngest captain of Champions League history at the age of 18 when he was 18 years old. The Championship? So much is certain: the size of the "Wolves" has nothing to do with it; That he "always wanted to play in England", at best on the edge.

A year ago, Fosun International Limited, a Chinese investment firm, took over the Wolverhampton Wanderers, the three-time champions (last time in 1959) and four-time FA Cup winners (most recently in 1960). And suddenly the transfer policy changed radically: strikingly many Portuguese now switched to the West Midlands, 2016/17, including Helder Costa of Benfica Lisbon for 15 million euro. More and more, the name of Jorge Mendes came from the second division.

The 51-year-old Portuguese is a very good player consultant, one of the most powerful figures in world football - and a close colleague of Wolverhampton's new owners, whom he advised during the takeover. Because of this "friendship", "opinions and advice" from Mendes, said club manager Laurie Dalrymple weeks ago the "Guardian", but not more.

The fact is that Mendes' famous "Gestifute" agency, which also includes Cristiano Ronaldo or José Mourinho as their clients, was involved in many of the younger "Wolves" transfers, which turned out to be almost exclusively sporty. Last November, Mendes sold 20 percent of its company to a "Fosun" subsidiary.

In that November, Wolverhampton committed Paul Lambert as new coach, seven months later the ex-Dortmunder frustrated already back: All serious English media reported that he had lost the "power struggle" with Mendes and therefore rather went - Although officially "Teammanager", no longer had the last word about future transfers, it said.

Lambert's successor: Nuno Espirito Santo (43), was dismissed at FC Porto in May after only one year due to lack of success, and already as a former goalkeeper from the man who still advises him today - Mendes. "I have the best advisor in the world," says Espirito Santo, a coach who has always been active for clubs that have a close relationship with Mendes and his company. Really coincidence? He says, "I'm doing my job, he's his."

And now he is allowed to work again with Ruben Neves, his captain in Porto, who is also advised by "Gestifute" and at 20 years already on 93 professions for the 27-time champion, 18 of them in the champions League. Wolverhampton, according to his own data, transfers an inter-company record release, which is to be 17 million euros according to media reports - Neves was still bound until 2019. He gets a contract by 2022 and says, "I want to help the team achieve their goals." Whether it is his own?

This transfer has certainly hit headlines far & wide. Wolves are being talked about across the globe - whether this is good or bad, only time will tell.

I'm not totally sure how they can question Neves' motives. Obviously Mendes is a factor in this (a massive one, tbf) and without him we wouldn't be able to get anywhere near this kind of player. By all means be critical of Mendes, but to question the motives of the player himself is odd.

Neves was in and out of the side last year. He could have easily moved to a Premier League side this summer and been in and out of the side again, but almost certainly taking more wages home per week than he is at Wolves - so is money really the main factor here? I would say no. At least here he is a big fish, a MASSIVE fish. He'll play every game (fitness permitting) - and he's part of an exciting project. He also has familiar faces here (Boly, Costa, Cav) as well as the Manager and entire coaching team. It really does make more sense than the causal observer who is too busy getting angry at a Championship club having the audacity to spend a few million quid on a player. How dare we?

 

[Lupo]

Hmmmmm an article in German media questioning our relationship with Mendes and sympathising with Lord Lambert of Dortmund... I wonder!

 

[owdill]

My German buddy pointed me in the direction of an article that made one of their major newspapers today, where they were very critical of Neves' transfer to Wolves, and the influence Mendes has. The article questions the motives of Neves in moving to a second tier English side.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...-englands-2-liga-wechselt.html#omsearchresult

Translation -



This transfer has certainly hit headlines far & wide. Wolves are being talked about across the globe - whether this is good or bad, only time will tell.

I'm not totally sure how they can question Neves' motives. Obviously Mendes is a factor in this (a massive one, tbf) and without him we wouldn't be able to get anywhere near this kind of player. By all means be critical of Mendes, but to question the motives of the player himself is odd.

Neves was in and out of the side last year. He could have easily moved to a Premier League side this summer and been in and out of the side again, but almost certainly taking more wages home per week than he is at Wolves - so is money really the main factor here? I would say no. At least here he is a big fish, a MASSIVE fish. He'll play every game (fitness permitting) - and he's part of an exciting project. He also has familiar faces here (Boly, Costa, Cav) as well as the Manager and entire coaching team. It really does make more sense than the causal observer who is too busy getting angry at a Championship club having the audacity to spend a few million quid on a player. How dare we?

Good stuff Jinky

 

[Deleted Cyber]

My German buddy pointed me in the direction of an article that made one of their major newspapers today, where they were very critical of Neves' transfer to Wolves, and the influence Mendes has. The article questions the motives of Neves in moving to a second tier English side.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...-englands-2-liga-wechselt.html#omsearchresult

Translation -



This transfer has certainly hit headlines far & wide. Wolves are being talked about across the globe - whether this is good or bad, only time will tell.

I'm not totally sure how they can question Neves' motives. Obviously Mendes is a factor in this (a massive one, tbf) and without him we wouldn't be able to get anywhere near this kind of player. By all means be critical of Mendes, but to question the motives of the player himself is odd.

Neves was in and out of the side last year. He could have easily moved to a Premier League side this summer and been in and out of the side again, but almost certainly taking more wages home per week than he is at Wolves - so is money really the main factor here? I would say no. At least here he is a big fish, a MASSIVE fish. He'll play every game (fitness permitting) - and he's part of an exciting project. He also has familiar faces here (Boly, Costa, Cav) as well as the Manager and entire coaching team. It really does make more sense than the causal observer who is too busy getting angry at a Championship club having the audacity to spend a few million quid on a player. How dare we?

When Morgan put the club up for sale I said what I wanted and I said that billionaire investors who understood the system would be a step forward. We got that and their understanding of the system comes from their relationship with Mendes. If he is playing the system, making a profit and bringing real quality to a team that finished mid championship last season without breaking any rules or FFP, then I am all over that like a rash. If Wolves are doing what Man City did (lets franchise the city of manchester stadium for a ludicrous amount) yet remain within the rules then go for it. Its great that we have that understanding and owners willing to use the system to their advantage. Of course it does not equate to success on the pitch. That is still to be proved, but if intention is matched by results we are in for a bloody good season.

 

[Langers]

Cheers for that, Jinky.

Surely Neves is the first real coup for the club? Costa was relatively unknown when he arrived - his success and the subsequent outlay on making his transfer permanent is down to Costa himself, and fortunately we're the beneficiaries of that. I think some of the bigger clubs in this league with the larger budgets could have theoretically snared Cavaleiro, so Neves is the only one I can think of that is genuinely a very surprising coup for us. TBH I think that questioning Neves' judgement is to be expected, even if it's perhaps not the main reason he's signed? Would we be saying the same if a club like Sheffield Wednesday started spunking £15m+ on players of that calibre?

I hope there's more to come, and I hope that the outlay on these expensive players pays off and gets us to the Premier League.

 

[Paul]

What I don't get is back in about 2003 we signed another Portugese midfielder and there wasn't half this kerfuffle ????




ps. I just wanted to type the word kerfuffle

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Watford a few seasons back used the loan system to bring some really good players to Watford on the back of their owners ties with Udinese. We didnt like it much. We debated it on here lots. I seem to remember the outcome being that begrudgingly, they knew the system , played the system and got to the premier league.

We are not doing the same. We have put our faith in one of the most influencial agents to convince quality players that their profile can be raised playing, and playing well for Wolves. I have no doubt that players will move on. Neves and Costa may be here a year may be two. If we do a Leicester may be more! But it is a cycle. When they go Mendes will have the high quality stock to bring in. Watch over the next two years as other teams try to do the same as we are trying now if it succeeds. If this model brings success then why wouldnt you try it? We just happen to be early adopters- the beta testers if you like.

 

[Del Woppio]

Let's be honest, it's dodgy as fuck, and he could have walked into 10+ starting lineups in Spain, France, Germany, Italy or England. This isn't a lad that's been sold a project, or followed a manager he loves. It's a player that's here at the behest of his agent, and no other reason.

Now fortunately, I think Mendes is astute enough, and with enough quality available to us through him, to actually make it come off. In three years time, Neves will be playing top ten PL football, with or without us. The relationship between Fosun and Mendes will be to our benefit, but let's not pretend it's not a bit cute.

 

[Tom Hark]

My German buddy pointed me in the direction of an article that made one of their major newspapers today, where they were very critical of Neves' transfer to Wolves, and the influence Mendes has. The article questions the motives of Neves in moving to a second tier English side.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...-englands-2-liga-wechselt.html#omsearchresult

Translation -



This transfer has certainly hit headlines far & wide. Wolves are being talked about across the globe - whether this is good or bad, only time will tell.

I'm not totally sure how they can question Neves' motives. Obviously Mendes is a factor in this (a massive one, tbf) and without him we wouldn't be able to get anywhere near this kind of player. By all means be critical of Mendes, but to question the motives of the player himself is odd.

Neves was in and out of the side last year. He could have easily moved to a Premier League side this summer and been in and out of the side again, but almost certainly taking more wages home per week than he is at Wolves - so is money really the main factor here? I would say no. At least here he is a big fish, a MASSIVE fish. He'll play every game (fitness permitting) - and he's part of an exciting project. He also has familiar faces here (Boly, Costa, Cav) as well as the Manager and entire coaching team. It really does make more sense than the causal observer who is too busy getting angry at a Championship club having the audacity to spend a few million quid on a player. How dare we?

They say there's no such thing as bad publicity, so I wouldn't worry about that.

I'd guess that Fosun/Mendes/Gestifute have come up with an extremely good 'jam tomorrow' sales pitch along the lines of 'We are building the next Chelsea/Man City; here's your chance to get in early.' For young players like Neves, Costa et al. that's not a bad career move, if it pans out. At worst it puts them in the shop window for a move to a PL club if the sales spiel proves to be just so much hot air.

Of course, we'll be excoriated for buying the league (I hope!) with forriners, but that's what all the top PL clubs have been trying to do since Roman rocked up. As you say, in the Championship, it's just going to breed jealousy. I can see us coming in for a great deal of stick this year, with a lot of people hoping we'll fall flat on our collective Portuguese face. Whatever happens, I don't think it's going to be boring.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Let's be honest, it's dodgy as $#@!, and he could have walked into 10+ starting lineups in Spain, France, Germany, Italy or England. This isn't a lad that's been sold a project, or followed a manager he loves. It's a player that's here at the behest of his agent, and no other reason.

Now fortunately, I think Mendes is astute enough, and with enough quality available to us through him, to actually make it come off. In three years time, Neves will be playing top ten PL football, with or without us. The relationship between Fosun and Mendes will be to our benefit, but let's not pretend it's not a bit cute.

But completely within the rules. Just like a boxer who makes the weight then eats his bodyweight in appropriate fight food to make him heavier and stronger. The rules are being used to our advantage for once. And just in case anyone throws the " spirit of the game" at me - I think that pretty much went when Sky started throwing this amount of money at football. Make no mistake its a business and businesses are there to make money. Fosun have bought Wolves to make money. They see a strategy of how to do this that is beneficial for them , Mendes and ultimately us as fans as we would not have that type of quality available usually. Dictionary win -win if it comes off. I for one will love watching to see if it does pay off. If not well we got to see some real quality. If it does, well here come the big boys!

 

[Del Woppio]

Oh I couldn't give a fuck a fuck about the spirit of the game if we're playing good football at the right end of the top flight. Fuck em. Embrace their bitterness.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Oh I couldn't give a $#@! a $#@! about the spirit of the game if we're playing good football at the right end of the top flight. $#@! em. Embrace their bitterness.

here here!

 

[darlowolf64]

Fosun just need to buy a fleet of Wambulances to send out to all the bitter fuckers

 

[Kenny]

If it was another club in the Championship there would be a thread on here bitching about it. We will just have to accept that we are going to be the target club this season for media and bitter fans and they will all want us to fail.

 

[Tony Towner]

If it was another club in the Championship there would be a thread on here bitching about it. We will just have to accept that we are going to be the target club this season for media and bitter fans and they will all want us to fail.

Tonight we're going to party like it's 1994

 

[darlowolf64]

There have been plenty of teams with cash to burn over the last few seasons and I couldn't give a shit about them. We just have more...