Wolves 0-0 Leicester: Verdict Thread

[YoungWolf]

https://silvani.substack.com/p/heres-jonny

 

[AndyWolves]

@YoungWolf - could you do some analysis on WJ and Fabio Silva in that game? I'm interested to know just how mental I am

 

[YoungWolf]

@YoungWolf - could you do some analysis on WJ and Fabio Silva in that game? I'm interested to know just how mental I am

In what sense!

 

[VanWolfie]

god knows......tbf its been 46 years since my English language 'O' level

46 years is nothing! To the point of "throw-in," I think you'll find it's a compound noun, so that's why one says seven throw-ins and not seven throws in.

 

[AndyWolves]

In what sense!

I dunno? Whatever stats are good to show how forwards perform, I was really interested to see you could get stats around pressures for Neves and Moutinho.

I guess pass completion, duels won, shots, progressive ball carries, ball retention - that kind of thing I guess?

 

[Paul]

One thing that always amuses me is commentator bias, damn good job Vardy never scored or the amount of spaff would have surely jammed transmissions. I know Super Don is a bit more unbiased, but if the other chap could have willed the ball to go in any harder he would have ended up with an aneurism

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

One thing that always amuses me is commentator bias, damn good job Vardy never scored or the amount of spaff would have surely jammed transmissions. I know Super Don is a bit more unbiased, but if the other chap could have willed the ball to go in any harder he would have ended up with an aneurism

He really wanted the "Vardy to come off the bench and win the game" narrative to ring true, it was painful.

Also note how little analysis there was of Evans challenge on WJ in the first half, i feel that in a more high profile game, that would have got more attention.

 

[YoungWolf]

I dunno? Whatever stats are good to show how forwards perform, I was really interested to see you could get stats around pressures for Neves and Moutinho.

I guess pass completion, duels won, shots, progressive ball carries, ball retention - that kind of thing I guess?

https://fbref.com/en/matches/dca0be...Leicester-City-February-7-2021-Premier-League is a good place for them

I think it was unfair for people to say we were worse with Fabio on the pitch. I thought he did fine, and perceptions obviously change if he scores that goal. He touched the ball 9 times in 30 minutes too, which is only 5 less than WJ managed in an hour. he also pressed as much as WJ did, but then when you consider the context, he will have come on with more energy than others in that last part of the game.

I think Johnny was right about Willian's movement being quite unselfish in the box but having got him into some decent positions in the previous games for him not to have a single shot in the game isn't great. Whereas Fabio obviously came on and had a great opportunity.

WJ is obviously the right first choice, he's stronger, better aerially and holds the ball up better, but we are in a decent position where we can bring Fabio on in games as he has shown enough improvement for me and I think his ability to find space in the box is particularly exciting for the future.

 

[Alan]

There was one moment of hold-up from Jose that really struck me; I can't remember the exact passage of play but the ball came to him fast and high, and he chested it right onto his foot about and then laid it off to someone (maybe Neves?), all without letting the ball hit the ground.

He may not end up scoring loads, but what I saw from him in those situations was bordering on sublime.

 

[BeaverWolf]

The Palace game has been the only blip in the general turnaround of our form (counting the Chelsea draw).

It's having the killer instinct and finishing off the chances Neto/Traore create that is now our biggest problem.

I agree but when Traore or Neto are the recipients they are absent from the scene or don’t score either. Comes down to the fact that we never have enough players going forward.

 

[Throbber3]

I agree but when Traore or Neto are the recipients they are absent from the scene or don’t score either. Comes down to the fact that we never have enough players going forward.

I know there is some critique of Otasowie on the build up thread for the Saints game. Part of the reason I would like to see him more is that he appears to have a natural drive forward. In the brief cameos he has stretched the opposing midfield by driving forward and finding space and the fact that he was able to miss from six yards emphasises that for me. No other midfielder of ours would have made that run. I agree he may be raw, but he has good energy and as long as he is protected by Neves I would like to see him start. He could be a real gem find but we will not know until we try him.

 

[Deano]

Think Jose's hold up play is good at times, but we need him to start getting on the end of some of these ball into the box. Hopefully that will come as he integrates - at the moment he is still living in a hotel and getting used to his team mates and how they play.

Fabio was decent when he came on, that chance is one he has to be taking though, he's obviously got some development to do physically but you'd expect his finishing to still be there - might just be a confidence thing.

I do wonder what will happen when Raul returns, it has been mooted that he will be back before the end of this season - Silva is the project and you'd hope to see some progress from him next season but he still needs game time - Where would that leave Jose? I cannot see a Jimenez/Jose partnership working, their attributes seem a bit similar - also not conviced on what others have said around Raul playing in the 10 or from wide positions. I don't think it's a given at all that Jose's deal will be made permanent - £22m is money that could be spent elsewhere if Raul is back to an acceptable level.

 

[prawnking]

Unless Fabio comes on leaps and bounds between now and the start of next season I wouldn't think it wise to again have him as the only backup for Raul.

Not saying that has to be Jose, but if not then an alternative, and if not a direct like for like then I like YW's suggestion of a player who can do a job up front and as a wide forward too

 

[Deano]

Unless Fabio comes on leaps and bounds between now and the start of next season I wouldn't think it wise to again have him as the only backup for Raul.

Not saying that has to be Jose, but if not then an alternative, and if not a direct like for like then I like YW's suggestion of a player who can do a job up front and as a wide forward too

We usually only use one central striker, we all know Raul very rarely comes off when fit as even when he is playing badly he can pop up with a goal - with that in mind when does Silva get any game time at all if Jose is here? We wont be sending him out on loan.

A player who can play wide and through the middle would be nice as an option but still either most of their game time is going to one from wide otherwise Fabio is never going to play

 

[Tony Towner]

I'd like the option of a complimentary 2 up top, one being a more natural poacher. Danny Ings would have scored a couple for us if he was playing on Sunday by attacking balls which fizzed across the box

 

[prawnking]

We usually only use one central striker, we all know Raul very rarely comes off when fit as even when he is playing badly he can pop up with a goal - with that in mind when does Silva get any game time at all if Jose is here? We wont be sending him out on loan.

A player who can play wide and through the middle would be nice as an option but still either most of their game time is going to one from wide otherwise Fabio is never going to play

The logic of your first paragraph seems sound, but again exposes us to the same scenario we've had this season.

While I'm not expecting Raul to have such a catastrophic injury again we could still miss him for games, and if we're saying Fabio is for the future (therefore we're not judging him too harshly) then I wonder if he'll have come on that much in six months time. I'd rather have a more senior option, whatever that is.

Maybe one of the reasons Raul never comes off is because there's no one else, and we've seen how we perform without a focal point.

If we genuinely harbour serious ambitions in this league then we and Nuno need to be able to manage, rotate and keep happy a larger group of quality players.

 

[Premier Quality]

Raul rarely comes off because he’s our best player and he’s naturally ridiculously fit and healthy (head butts from sideshow Bob aside).

keeping Jose would mean Silva gets less time on the pitch to develop, which is clearly Nuno’s aim, unless we’re going to transition to two up top or play Raul wide right.

silva is the future, but he still needs minutes now and next season to develop.

 

[Deano]

The logic of your first paragraph seems sound, but again exposes us to the same scenario we've had this season.

While I'm not expecting Raul to have such a catastrophic injury again we could still miss him for games, and if we're saying Fabio is for the future (therefore we're not judging him too harshly) then I wonder if he'll have come on that much in six months time. I'd rather have a more senior option, whatever that is.

Maybe one of the reasons Raul never comes off is because there's no one else, and we've seen how we perform without a focal point.

If we genuinely harbour serious ambitions in this league then we and Nuno need to be able to manage, rotate and keep happy a larger group of quality players.

Then you are in a situation where Fabio Silva who we purchased for £35m is the third choice option in a team that uses one central striker. Cannot see it happening, he isn't going to develop in that scenario as he won't see the pitch

 

[prawnking]

I haven't said Jose is necessarily the answer, but we've all been wringing our hands for the past three months and saying losing Raul is the reason our season nose-dived and Fabio isn't ready.

You don't call someone your best player then have no vaguely suitable plan B for their absence. Let's learn our lesson

 

[Deano]

I haven't said Jose is necessarily the answer, but we've all been wringing our hands for the past three months and saying losing Raul is the reason our season nose-dived and Fabio isn't ready.

You don't call someone your best player then have no vaguely suitable plan B for their absence. Let's learn our lesson

How do you propose Fabio becomes that plan B or even develop into plan A if his path into the team is being blocked? He won't develop by not playing any games.