Wolves 0-1 Man Utd: Verdict Thread

[PuntsWolf]

We've missed golden chances and given away soft goals for the last 3 seasons. We are still doing the latter and creating more seems to lead to missing more. You look at goals like Buendia's at the weekend and we must have gotten into that sort of position 8-10 times in each of the last 2 games. Small margins, but not bad luck

You say that. But we’ve had 3 genuine 1v1s in these 3 games. I honestly can’t remember having such Golden opportunities so regularly previously whilst also giving up such a low number of high or low quality chances.

Previously we gave up a decent amount of low quality chances which increased the chance for a deflection, keeper error, penalty and set pieces (which we couldn’t defend) whilst also creating very little of our own. We tended to very wasteful creating the chance or just not doing it by having so few bodies forward. Whereas yesterday Traore but it on a Plate for Trincao and Raul, Trincao worked a great chance for himself and Saiss missed from a yard. Neves chance is also a very good one.

 

[redvictor]

And to think I took you back off ignore just to do it. Silly me.

Like i care! You must be 10 years old then.. There's stuff being said that is a million times worse, but it seems you have an agenda with me. Enjoy ignoring me.

 

[YoungWolf]

If we keep creating the amount of chances we are, we aren't going to never score again are we.

Some bad finishing and some bad luck so far (or amazing defending like Wan-Bissaka). We just need to keep creating them, Jimenez, Trincao, Hwang all have quality to score goals. I think Adama will improve if he keeps getting high quality chances too

 

[Del Woppio]

Who's day? Yours or mine? I think some of you need to get over yourselves.

It's a weird hill to die on really, you've been treated with kindness in that it's been presumed that you're not racist, and it wasn't said with racist intentions. It's been an attempt to educate, rather than an accusation.

I'd say rather than everybody else getting over themselves, you perhaps need to just accept that you've used an ill-advised term and not do it again.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Well i totally disagree, Marcal for me did get easily beaten, he didn't make a challenge, he didn't block the shot, he didn't force him into a position where he was unable to shoot, it was poor defending, a prime objective of a fullback or defender is to stop crosses and shots, he failed, that is "what actually happened".

"Greenwood is better than Marcal"

Right, so that means whenever a defender is up against a player that is "better" that's ok then, what a fucking kop out.

If he crossed it he would have blocked it! He’s just shot from a ridiculous angle! If he goes and over commits he risks getting beaten, giving away a penalty or presenting an even better chance. The keeper has to save it, it’s that simple.

Traore, Trincao and Podence got past better players im AWB and Shaw more often and we’re in better positions. But that was good play, not poor defending.

It wasn’t elite defending from Marcal obviously, but certainly not “really dissapointing”.

 

[Johnny75]

If we keep creating the amount of chances we are, we aren't going to never score again are we.

Some bad finishing and some bad luck so far (or amazing defending like Wan-Bissaka). We just need to keep creating them, Jimenez, Trincao, Hwang all have quality to score goals. I think Adama will improve if he keeps getting high quality chances too

I accept all of that apart from their goalscoring records don't agree with you.

Raul doesn't look right yet and I think he should be used as sub but we need goals and goalscorers to get into those positions and I'm not sure that top level finishing is in the squad without him.

 

[YoungWolf]

I accept all of that apart from their goalscoring records don't agree with you.

Raul doesn't look right yet and I think he should be used as sub but we need goals and goalscorers to get into those positions and I'm not sure that top level finishing is in the squad without him.

Raul just needs the games, I don't think it does him any good benching him.

Trincao is a goal threat. 8 league goals in 17 starts for Braga at 18/19? He's getting up to speed quite quickly I think too.

Hwang's goal record was very good in Austria. Barely played at Leipzig last season so can't judge his goal record there as he started 5 times and such a lack of minutes.

We do have a general lack of goal threat in the squad though, granted.

 

[redvictor]

It's a weird hill to die on really, you've been treated with kindness in that it's been presumed that you're not racist, and it wasn't said with racist intentions. It's been an attempt to educate, rather than an accusation.

I'd say rather than everybody else getting over themselves, you perhaps need to just accept that you've used an ill-advised term and not do it again.

Sorry, i'm not with you here. You say an ill advised term and you need to educate me. So, while you say i'm not racist, which clearly i'm not, you are saying calling someone by a nickname, which everyone in a group does when you have a long name which isn't easy to pronounce is ill advised?
So tell me, whenever you are in a group of people you don't use nicknames of any sort? Because in my world it's common practice.
As this is a match thread i'll leave it here, but calling me a racist for what i posted is insane fella, however you want to dress it up.

 

[Johnny75]

Sorry, i'm not with you here. You say an ill advised term and you need to educate me. So, while you say i'm not racist, which clearly i'm not, you are saying calling someone by a nickname, which everyone in a group does when you have a long name which isn't easy to pronounce is ill advised?
So tell me, whenever you are in a group of people you don't use nicknames of any sort? Because in my world it's common practice.
As this is a match thread i'll leave it here, but calling me a racist for what i posted is insane fella, however you want to dress it up.

You really don't understand why calling a player from the far east, Jackie Chan, is racist?

 

[redvictor]

You really don't understand why calling a player from the far east, Jackie Chan, is racist?

You need to look up the definition of the word racist then. If you haven't anything better to do that is. Also i'd suggest the post welcoming Hwang Hee-Chan on here is worse as they have spelt his name completely wrong, which to me is way worse than giving the guy a nickname. But that is just me eh...

 

[Del Woppio]

Sorry, i'm not with you here. You say an ill advised term and you need to educate me. So, while you say i'm not racist, which clearly i'm not, you are saying calling someone by a nickname, which everyone in a group does when you have a long name which isn't easy to pronounce is ill advised?
So tell me, whenever you are in a group of people you don't use nicknames of any sort? Because in my world it's common practice.
As this is a match thread i'll leave it here, but calling me a racist for what i posted is insane fella, however you want to dress it up.

You don't have to take it on board if you don't want to, but don't be surprised if it's the kind of thing that causes you some trouble in the future, particularly in real life.

 

[Tony Towner]

Can't wait until his first interview when Mickey Burrows asks him how he pronounces his name and he says "Jackie"

 

[redvictor]

You don't have to take it on board if you don't want to, but don't be surprised if it's the kind of thing that causes you some trouble in the future, particularly in real life.

I know i don't, and i've been around in real life for 60 years all around the world. It's hasn't caused me any trouble yet. But thanks for the advice, which i will take on board..

 

[redvictor]

Can't wait until his first interview when Mickey Burrows asks him how he pronounces his name and he says "Jackie"

You'll see....

 

[prawnking]

Could it be that we just don't have (enough) goalscorers in the team?

We're missing Neto, and Raul will take some time to get back to his best, without them who else is going to put those chances away?

Either we improve this with transfers or on the training pitch

 

[jlo]

You need to look up the definition of the word racist then. If you haven't anything better to do that is. Also i'd suggest the post welcoming Hwang Hee-Chan on here is worse as they have spelt is name completely wrong, which to me is way worse than giving the guy a nickname. But that is just me eh...

Taking on board feedback seems like a sensible grown up thing to do...so I've amended the thread title welcoming him as it was just a copy of the spelling the Wolves social admin person had said to welcome Hwang.

 

[Dire Wolf]

A nickname that is of someone from a completely different country and ethnicity and implies that all people from the Far East look the same and are the same. I think you’ll find that’s racist and pretty offensive to people from South Korea, China, Japan, Vietnam etc etc. If you don’t want to see it as racist that’s an issue with you, not the people calling you out in it.

 

[prawnking]

Could it be that we just don't have (enough) goalscorers in the team?

We're missing Neto, and Raul will take some time to get back to his best, without them who else is going to put those chances away?

Either we improve this with transfers or on the training pitch

Sorry, just noticed others had been debating this more eloquently than me

As someone who has never played football well, and knowing there are a few on here who do/did, is this something that really can be improved that much in training?

Is there truth to the cliche that you either have the 'knack' or not when it comes to goalscoring?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Real goalscorers have the eye of the tiger.

Depends on who's doing the coaching. So while Bully was the greatest goalscorer I've ever seen or ever will see in a Wolves shirt, I very much doubt there's any chance he could pass any of his secrets on (bless him). Whereas it must work with other players, look at Ivan Toney's record before he joined Peterborough*. Absolutely dogshit, then he became a machine.



*NB - this does not mean I think Lipstick Ferguson is a good coach

 

[Tony Towner]

Sorry, just noticed others had been debating this more eloquently than me

As someone who has never played football well, and knowing there are a few on here who do/did, is this something that really can be improved that much in training?

Is there truth to the cliche that you either have the 'knack' or not when it comes to goalscoring?

Cannock district U12's 1984/5 season doesn't count , but seems to me to be more about decision making and composure. You see in the training videos they know how to finish. It's the relaxing into the situation which seems to be the issue for some, decision making for others. Confidence in Raul's case could play a part in his performances both in front of goal and otherwise