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Wolves 0-2 Brentford: Verdict Thread

Freddeno

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Now maybe Mosquera will play in the league cup if fit and we will see how he looks.., want Boly in for Saiss, and RAN for Marcal if we play the same tactics in the PL
 

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Right, and thats down to Jeff mostly, Brighton were the same last season, but now they are starting to score..at least we have one win, draws get you nothing
I don't care who it's down to, the inquest can wait for later and it's not really my problem.

We just don't look very good, do we.

Not that we were in any danger last season but we lost to West Ham with eight games to go and had 35 points.

Now, two things here:

1) We then went and beat Fulham and Sheffield United 1-0, one after the other. Putting us all but mathematically safe. We didn't play well in either game (we were probably the better team, but against crap, and we didn't exactly light it up). Who has got faith in us doing that in any game this season, based on what you've seen so far? We always look like conceding.

2) Who reckons we'll have 35+ points after 30 games? And we were "shit" last season apparently.
 

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We’ve signed two forwards this summer. If they aren’t clinical, why do we keep signing forwards who can’t score?

I just look at West Ham. They sign forwards who can score, from the championship, for less money than we have committed to Trincao. These players attack the back post, get themselves in decent positions, get on the end of crosses, cut inside and find the top corner.

They also have FBs who can cross. Watching the end of the Chelsea game yesterday I watch Marcos Alonso put 3 or 4 dangerous balls in from deep in the last 20 mins. Yes I know he’s better than what we have. But Cresswell and Coufal do the same and they aren’t even playing as WBs. Why do our WBs not cross it, and when they do why is it rubbish. You don’t need a big man in there is you put it in dangerous areas. See Liverpool for details.

I’m just fed up with 3-4-3 when it suits none of our players.

You've hit the nail firmly on the head with the recruitment and I said as much in the summer about buying players who can't score. I got told that our stats guys were brilliant, they're clearly fucking shite and should be binned.

Whatever our recruitment strategy is it isn't working, it's total rubbish but we are where we are.

I think we're more equipped to go 4-4-2 with inverted wingers in Podence and Trincao and let the full backs overlap but I think we have to be bold enough to bin Semedo and Marcal and play Hoever and RAN, both of whom can cross a ball and have decent technique. We'd have to have Raul as a traditional target man style striker which works for Burnley and then play Hwang off him as a poacher as he's the only one who seems to be able to have an eye for goal and go beyond Raul.

We'd say goodbye to clean sheets, Conor Coady and £70m worth of transfers that way which the club hierarchy may not be able to stomach, but at least we'd score goals.
 

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We'd get relegated on about 25 points with 4-4-2.

Did you see the early pre-season games? Every attack against us looks like a goal.
 

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So depending on Raul isn't an option but we need him to get match fit which is Catch22.
Yep, or find someone else who can get shots on target. I'll get absolute pelters for this, but Fabio has decent shooting stats.

The only other thing I reckon is a 352 with RAN at LWB, Donk in midfield and Hwang playing off Raul.

It kind makes Podence, Trincao and Adama a bit redundant though as wide players.
 

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You've hit the nail firmly on the head with the recruitment and I said as much in the summer about buying players who can't score. I got told that our stats guys were brilliant, they're clearly fucking shite and should be binned.

Whatever our recruitment strategy is it isn't working, it's total rubbish but we are where we are.

I think we're more equipped to go 4-4-2 with inverted wingers in Podence and Trincao and let the full backs overlap but I think we have to be bold enough to bin Semedo and Marcal and play Hoever and RAN, both of whom can cross a ball and have decent technique. We'd have to have Raul as a traditional target man style striker which works for Burnley and then play Hwang off him as a poacher as he's the only one who seems to be able to have an eye for goal and go beyond Raul.

We'd say goodbye to clean sheets, Conor Coady and £70m worth of transfers that way which the club hierarchy may not be able to stomach, but at least we'd score goals.
While I'd agree Semedo doesn't have enough end product, I must have missed all the games when Hoever crossed good balls. Our crossing is shameful both from open play and set pieces
 

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We'd get relegated on about 25 points with 4-4-2.

Did you see the early pre-season games? Every attack against us looks like a goal.
At the moment we'd get less than that.
 

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4-4-2 would honestly be a disaster, we have absolutely no kind of set up for it. Not a single natural winger who can do what you'd need in both directions, one centre half who currently can't stay fit and the rest can't do it (or in Yerson's case, who the fuck knows), no way at all to balance the midfield properly.

We even tried it and it looked laughable, like a parks team.

I genuinely can't believe you think that would be the answer.
 

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4-4-2 would honestly be a disaster, we have absolutely no kind of set up for it. Not a single natural winger who can do what you'd need in both directions, one centre half who currently can't stay fit and the rest can't do it (or in Yerson's case, who the fuck knows), no way at all to balance the midfield properly.

We even tried it and it looked laughable, like a parks team.

I genuinely can't believe you think that would be the answer.
Well at the moment 3-4-3 isn't working either.

I wouldn't advocate 4-4-2 in a Burnley old school 80's fashion but more Lage's/ Hasenhuttl's 4-2-2-2 style.

We do have the players for that and it must be better than what we're currently doing as that way can only lead to more defeats.
 

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I honestly don’t think if we played 442 from the start against Brentford we’d have lost.

They were running round our 3 CBs and Coady was a complete waste of space. Couldn’t challenge Toney and then couldn’t get back goalside either to help defend.

We were overun in midfield and they had the simple outball. If we had an extra midfielder/forward then we stop it at source and press them better, and likely capitalise on the opening 20 where they let us play. We also would still end of 3v2 at the back, like we were anyway, but as I said the ball may have never actually got there anyway or we’d have had someone on Toneys toes picking up the second ball.
 

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Crossing has a really low yield in general, we shouldn't be playing like that, we don't even need to.
Crossing is probably a poor term, I mean more passes in from wide areas, whether standing it up, pulling it back from the byline or any pass into danger areas
 

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Christ reading this lot makes me really depressed, surely we must come good and give someone a tanking. BUT, last season we scored 3 goals in one match only once, and we dont look like doing that this season. I live in hope though. (at the moment ). All i can say about Satutday is Podence looked sharp.
 

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I don't care who it's down to, the inquest can wait for later and it's not really my problem.

We just don't look very good, do we.

Not that we were in any danger last season but we lost to West Ham with eight games to go and had 35 points.

Now, two things here:

1) We then went and beat Fulham and Sheffield United 1-0, one after the other. Putting us all but mathematically safe. We didn't play well in either game (we were probably the better team, but against crap, and we didn't exactly light it up). Who has got faith in us doing that in any game this season, based on what you've seen so far? We always look like conceding.

2) Who reckons we'll have 35+ points after 30 games? And we were "shit" last season apparently.
we will do the same this year..points will come if we play like we have done for most of the games...and Neto will be back and Jonny too, hey, maybe we can even sign a player in january(very difficult window though)
 

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I guess the question is, are our poor results down to bad luck, or just bad defending/finishing?

If the performances are there then it's one of them. If it's the latter, will we revert to the mean or will we continue to struggle consistently?

People can come down on either camp or a bit of both. I still insist that the sample size is too small to know for sure. I'm not really counting last season's finishing as we barely created anything and weren't looking like winning half the time.
 

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The problem is his squad was built over four years to play a particular style and by changing the style without giving Lage at the very least a dominant centre half that can cope with a high line we have made things much harder than they could have been. It's like asking a cricket coach to play attacking cricket with Tavare and Boycott.
Just catching up, lot of time for the last sentence. Bravo
 
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