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Wolves 0 - 2 Crystal Palace: The Verdict.

Alan

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Life in the Premier League, eh?

The real concern for me is that Morgan hasn't shown too well in three appearances and Neves still looks completely out of sorts, can't complete a forward pass to save his life at the moment.

Bring on a signing or two (just not Tammy Abraham, please).
 
Morgan's 18. It's not a free pass for him nor an excuse but he played out of his skin vs Chelsea, we won't see that every week, maybe hopefully if he fully blossoms as a talent. He's not the saviour and we can't treat him as such.

Tonight was piss poor, from everyone. Bennett motm just about, prior to giving the pen away at least. Even then probably still is.

Vinagre really should've been in tonight, IMO. I like Jonny a lot, he is a very sound fullback and has played very well for us. But he absolutely killed any attacking moves we had down the left over and over, he just doesn't look comfortable doing it.

Moutinho was way below his recent standards. Costa reverted to type. Cav and Raul tried but were very hit and miss and nothing came off for them. Even Coady's passing was off. Boly also had a stinker.

We have to be more aggressive at home against teams like this. I don't think it's going to change substantially though as it just isn't who Nuno is as a coach (remember when we hired him and there were all sorts of reactions from Porto and Valencia fans saying he was too negative, etc?)

I'm not in the habit of writing games off and god knows with the way this season is going we might well go to Citeh and get something, but I'd be fully focused on getting Jota back for Leicester right now.
 
Life in the Premier League, eh?

The real concern for me is that Morgan hasn't shown too well in three appearances and Neves still looks completely out of sorts, can't complete a forward pass to save his life at the moment.

Bring on a signing or two (just not Tammy Abraham, please).


Mate your assessment was so far off on the match thread and it’s off here. Neves and MGW were miles away from being the real concern.
 
Palace fully deserved that we weren't close to competing today.

Whilst it's always horrible to lose the main worry is again the inability to break teams down. We try to draw teams out and they know that now so if that isn't working we need something else.

1 shot on target in 90 minutes against any side is unacceptable but against teams in our mini league is poor.

Nuno will sort it, let's erase this abomination from our memory as quickly as possible.
 
Mate your assessment was so far off on the match thread and it’s off here. Neves and MGW were miles away from being the real concern.

If you have a counter argument, by all means, make it.
 
Well if you don't try to win a game, more often than not you won't.

Wolves never approached the game with any sort of drive or urgency, first half was very similar to that against Spurs, conservatively plodding along and feeling things out, all well and good when there's a vast array of firepower trying to gun you down but against a middle table side with an even more conservative outlook you've got to do more, especially as the home side with big aspirations then the onus is on you to make something happen. Second half it needed more urgency, get the defence higher up the pitch, let the midfielders receive the ball part way inside the opposition half instead of holding hands with centre halves, commit some bodies forward into areas that worry the opposition and play with some tempo, take some risks and try to force errors in the opponent rather than sit there waiting to see what happens. Seems Palace were the side that had more of than thought about them.

Didn't think the initial line up was a bad one but evidently there was something lacking by half time, I'd have ditched Saiss for MGW, get two midfielders on who are comfortable roaming from their position a bit more, encourage the defence to bring the ball further up the pitch and see if you can move Palace around more with extra bodies in more threatening areas. As it was I think MGW introduction made things worse, Jimenez did nothing in a wider position and MGW didn't get on the ball with any great regularity to try and force the issue from the centre of the pitch, it addressed none of the issues that had been so glaring in the first half, defence still too deep, not enough bodies in advanced areas and with MGW rarely on the ball no extra spark to raise the tempo. Next up I'd have tried Vinagre for Jonny, if you're not managing to tweak the system then he's probably the biggest difference you can make in terms of individuals available, let him have a run and see if that can open anything up. Instead we got Neves for Saiss, another pointless shuffle where you're just going to get fresher legs spending 90% of the time behind the ball trying to hit long passes into a congested defensive area, unsurprising it had little impact on proceedings.

First goal was woefully slack from Coady and Boly, both just switched off and sauntered away from the goal, didn't push up with any sort of urgency making it incredibly easy for Ayew to sneak out with them and neither was paying any sort of attention to what was going on around them, pitiful stuff.

It needs to stop being so safe and slow against these lower teams, you can't go in with the same mentality to every game, being conservative and feeling your way into it against a stronger side is all well and good but when you're the favourite all you're doing is presenting that same opportunity to your opponent. You have to take the initiative, be bolder, commit more men forward, play with more tempo and try to force the issue, teams at this level aren't going to just fall apart when they haven't had the ball for a couple of minutes, you have to force them into errors rather than just wait for them to happen.
 
so slow and pedestrian...again. it like the Chuckle Brothers at the back - To You, To Me......And the goal kicking everytime out to Doc who misses it.
no tackling, just a foot out after they've gone round us. yes we can play against the top teams because they expect to beat us and that gives us our chance, but against the dross below we have no game plan. they bully us out of it. why aren't our wingers running at them and drawing the foul ??
i can't see things improving at this level currently which is a shame. Nuno really needs to re-think his approach to games like this.
 
Morgan's 18. It's not a free pass for him nor an excuse but he played out of his skin vs Chelsea, we won't see that every week, maybe hopefully if he fully blossoms as a talent. He's not the saviour and we can't treat him as such.

Tonight was piss poor, from everyone. Bennett motm just about, prior to giving the pen away at least. Even then probably still is.

Vinagre really should've been in tonight, IMO. I like Jonny a lot, he is a very sound fullback and has played very well for us. But he absolutely killed any attacking moves we had down the left over and over, he just doesn't look comfortable doing it.

Moutinho was way below his recent standards. Costa reverted to type. Cav and Raul tried but were very hit and miss and nothing came off for them. Even Coady's passing was off. Boly also had a stinker.

We have to be more aggressive at home against teams like this. I don't think it's going to change substantially though as it just isn't who Nuno is as a coach (remember when we hired him and there were all sorts of reactions from Porto and Valencia fans saying he was too negative, etc?)

I'm not in the habit of writing games off and god knows with the way this season is going we might well go to Citeh and get something, but I'd be fully focused on getting Jota back for Leicester right now.

I agree with this summary and would add that Jimenez had a poor game, with every player being below par. Neves, though was ok when he came on and had our one shot at goal, so I don't know which game Alan was watching. I'll have to take another look at it but I though Ayew was offside when the ball came through to him for the first goal. Did anyone else see that?
 
Cav and Costa hiding out wide was the biggest problem for me.
 
Palace fully deserved that we weren't close to competing today.

Whilst it's always horrible to lose the main worry is again the inability to break teams down. We try to draw teams out and they know that now so if that isn't working we need something else.

1 shot on target in 90 minutes against any side is unacceptable but against teams in our mini league is poor.

Nuno will sort it, let's erase this abomination from our memory as quickly as possible.

I don't think you can simply say "Nuno will sort it." I love Nuno as a manager and as a bloke, but if he has one weakness it is this type of game.
 
Agree with markakajim tbh, no drive or urgency.

Moutinho was poor, and the back five and Saiss were slow and ponderous both defending and going forward. Costa looked like a ten year old playing men’s football, pushed off the ball so easily. Cav had nice control but not much more and Jiminez worked hard but nothing worked for him.

Our first shot on target was in the 91st minute. That’s awful, regardless of the opposition. Nuno needs to have some words tonight. Poor poor poor.
 
Funny old season, like someone else said, we have a good game plan against the top teams but for some reason can't work out a way to combat the rest. After our losing run we seemed to go more of a 3 in midfield which got us back on track so was surprised to see us go back to 3-4-3 for this game
 
I don't think you can simply say "Nuno will sort it." I love Nuno as a manager and as a bloke, but if he has one weakness it is this type of game.
No doubt that is true and if we are to develop as a side he must conquer that weakness.

Whilst I scratch my head at the Abraham link I wonder if it is part of tackling that issue.
 
I agree with this summary and would add that Jimenez had a poor game, with every player being below par. Neves, though was ok when he came on and had our one shot at goal, so I don't know which game Alan was watching. I'll have to take another look at it but I though Ayew was offside when the ball came through to him for the first goal. Did anyone else see that?
Neves had the shot but doesn't mean he had a good game.
 
A palace fan :-

"Great result but I must say that Wolves were absolutely embarrassing today as the home team. Proper cowardly performance from the first whistle and one of the least threatening sides we've faced all season."

Hard to argue with that
 
A palace fan :-

"Great result but I must say that Wolves were absolutely embarrassing today as the home team. Proper cowardly performance from the first whistle and one of the least threatening sides we've faced all season."

Hard to argue with that

Should change the thread title to that, sums the game up.
 
Just ... why? Are these Doppelgangers of the team that beat Spurs and Chelsea or something? I don't think I'll ever understand this game (although I'd expected those earning fortunes at Molineux to have some clue; apparently not). No negatives on Saturday, no positives tonight. (Oh, one good tackle by Bennett; woop-de-doo.) You're a hard side to love, Wolves. Now watch us beat Liverpool.
 
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