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    The F1 Thread

    Best moment of the weekend came during the comms at the end if Q1. The lotus got up to 19th place and the following line did amuse me ...." he's done it, he's split the Virgins"
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    Red Bull doing nicely at Suzuka so far. The weather forecast should make things interesting.

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    Long night ahead...quali now at 2am, followed by race at 7am. Never mind the fact I was up at 5am this morning aswell!

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    Possibilty of more heavy rain tomorrow, if quali is cancelled again it will go to car numbers to determine the grid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NandoWolf View Post
    Possibilty of more heavy rain tomorrow, if quali is cancelled again it will go to car numbers to determine the grid.
    Good for Jenson Button, bad for most other people. Who would be most out of their normal position? I'd go with Michael Schumacher - rarely in the top 10, but in car number 3. In the other direction, it would probably be the Saubers, being numbered behind the Lotuses and HRTs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NandoWolf View Post
    Possibilty of more heavy rain tomorrow, if quali is cancelled again it will go to car numbers to determine the grid.
    I'd be very surprised if that happened. Do you have a link to somewhere that says this (just because I can't find one!)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law's Bus View Post
    Good for Jenson Button, bad for most other people. Who would be most out of their normal position? I'd go with Michael Schumacher - rarely in the top 10, but in car number 3. In the other direction, it would probably be the Saubers, being numbered behind the Lotuses and HRTs.
    Actually, if this was the case, Michael Schumacher would be second on the grid with Lewis's grid penalty.

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    Morning all - it has been a while since I got up early for Suzuka. Please excuse the typing as I have the lights off to avoid waking the angry early morning squeeze!
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    First lap - Hulkenburg and Petrov collide at the start, Massa and Liuzzi at turn one, Kubica up to second and then his rear falls off behind the safety car. Vettel, Webber, Alonso, Button, Hamilton behind the safety car. Should be a bastard good race now.
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    A Red Bull one two. Some exciting stuff in the last few laps.

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    Very decent race behind the dominant red bulls - I was really impressed by Kobayashi. I was expecting the safety car after Heidfeld planted his car on turn 5 in the last few laps which could have made things entertaining with Button on soft tyres behind Alonso.
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    Red Bull had plenty in the bag if they needed it, Fernando was never really going to get any closer to Webber.

    Spastic moment from Massa at the start, he really needs to stop sulking and man up.

    Kamui's an absolute nutter, but it's great to watch.

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    McLaren really need to up their game. Both Button and Hamilton are now more than a race win behind Webber, and neither of them look likely to do better than fourth at the moment.

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    Can't see much hope for either of the McLaren boys, 3 horse race for me now. Jenson still seems intent on just getting the car in solid points without really pushing the top guys, at least Lewis has had a go when the opportunity has arised.

    For me, Jenson isn't in the same class as Hamilton and Alonso. If the car's not set up perfectly that's him out of the running. With Lewis and Fernando you always knows they can drag something out of the car and that's why they're the best about.

    Can't really see past a Red Bull double unless they both have a DNF.

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    I agree Nando, Button never seemed to push himself, he may have had problems with the car, otherwise i cant see why he didnt go for it. Hamilton sure would have. Maybe he was hoping for cars going out, but that is one hell of a gamble

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    McLaren are likely to have the best car at Korea from what i've heard, but I also agree it will still end up being a 3 way fight. I see Vettel winning it now, but Webber deserves it more (on race wins thus far!).

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    Button is far too safe. Needs to be edgier like Hamilton.
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    Hamilton hasn't finished 3 of the last 4 races though so how can you say Button's approach is wrong? I remember having to defend Jenson last year when people said he wasn't a worthy champion, it just isn't true. Jenson is probably THE smoothest driver on the track, hence he doesn't look like he is on edge very often. McLaren had a nightmare trying to design a car that suited both!

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    I sort of agree. Button to me is too safe - yes the silkiest driver there is but too safe sometimes where Hamilton is the exact opposite. A mix of the 2 would be perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North West Wanderer View Post
    I sort of agree. Button to me is too safe - yes the silkiest driver there is but too safe sometimes where Hamilton is the exact opposite. A mix of the 2 would be perfect.
    That'd be Jenson from Interlagos last year, be nice to see it more often. Sadly current F1 car designs do nothing to help, and I don't believe that'll massively change until 2012/13.

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    When Jenson finds the optimum setup he's very very good, no doubt about that. But when he needs to harry a car, like Alonso and Hamilton can he doesn't have 'it'. I'm not slagging him off at all, I just feel he needs to tweak his driving style if he wants to compete with the very best in equal machinery. He won last years title because the Brawn was so far ahead of everything esle at the start of last season, when the playing field levelled out he struggled.

    Lewis may have a few recent DNF's, but he's still ahead of Jenson in the championship who's had how many DNF's?

    A mix of the two is where you pretty much get Alonso, and when he's in this frame of mind he's currently the best about (Yes he was below par for the first half of the season). He had a a 7 lap run today where his lap time fluctuated by less than one tenth. That's frightening.

    McLaren's development is worrying too, they seem to bring updates to the GP's only to see no immediate increase in performance. They brought a new rear wing to Suzuka, which seemed to horribly upset the balance. In comparison you've had Red Bull and Ferrari turn up with upgrades which have seen a pretty much immediate upturn in performance (Ferrari at Valencia for example). Watching the McLaren's at Silvertsone Practice was horrendous, they were all over the shop with their blown diffuser and had to run without it.

    Who will win the title? I'd probably be backing Vettel right now. Who deserves to win the title? I'm not sure if anybody really stands out above the others. Before Monza I'd have said Lewis was my driver of the season but he's had a poor run of races (although he drove very well today). Alonso's probably made too many errors in the first half of the season. Button's been solid, Webber's won the most races so far and if Fernando can't win the title I'd like Mark too.

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    Red Bull's should have this title wrapped up. By a mile the best car and if Vettel and Webber had been better managed they might have avoided a lot of the issues that means they now face the threat of Alonso and an outside push from Lewis and Jensen.

    As for Jensen........nothing wrong with how he races, he wants his car to cross the finish line and will think out his race before hand. If needed he will "go for it" as he showed with a brilliant display to bag the title last year. Lewis is just a plain racer, he see's a gap and goes for it. Won't always work and it could cost titles in the future...........wouldn't want him to change though, he is 1 of the reasons why F1 has become increasingly more popular in this country. Your bog standard "fan" wants to see over taking and crashes.

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    I think Lewis will naturally calm down as he continues to get more experienced, and then he'll be an even more frightening prospect. He's probably the most naturally gifted driver on the grid at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NandoWolf View Post
    . He's probably the most naturally gifted driver on the grid at the moment.
    No doubt about that. He showed his skills as he dragged a piss poor McLaren around last year. I just think that "edge" he has will never go. The move he made on Massa (at Monza?), put him in the same situation 20 times and he would make the same move each time

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    Aye, it is only the media writing Lewis off. He is the closest thing to Senna in my lifetime, who I only very vaguely remember.

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    He won't lose his edge, but his instinct on when to strike will get better to better. For me, the Massa move was stupid, it was never going to happen and when he eradicates that kind of move he'll be the best about. Of course every driver makes silly mistakes at times, but he's got a little bit of a habit of making big cock ups at crucial stages.

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    I saw Senna in the flesh, but was far too young to recognise and admire his talent. My Dad still says Gilles Villeneuve is the most gifted driver he's ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NandoWolf View Post
    Red Bull had plenty in the bag if they needed it, Fernando was never really going to get any closer to Webber.

    Spastic moment from Massa at the start, he really needs to stop sulking and man up.

    Kamui's an absolute nutter, but it's great to watch.
    I remember when Ayrton Senna first appeared on the scene, he was also branded as crazy, which he probably was, but he was a fantastic racing driver. Not that Massa will ever be that good, but the potential is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NandoWolf View Post
    My Dad still says Gilles Villeneuve is the most gifted driver he's ever seen.
    Jeremy Clarkson did a brilliant piece on Senna (I was amazed, look it up on You Tube - Top Gear tribute to Senna) and he was of the same thinking until he spent hours going through tapes and speaking to those who worked with him. I think his closing comments were "Gilles Villeneuve was brilliant most of the time, Senna was brilliant every time" or something like that

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