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    Just how good were/was/is/are (Sports Edition)

    Same premise as the music/film etc thread. If you don't know, go and have a look. And contribute

    1. Rivaldo

    Rivaldo Vítor Barbosa Ferreira (born 19 April 1972), known as Rivaldo, is a Brazilian former professional footballer. He played mainly as an attacking midfielder but also as a second striker. Often considered one of the best players of his generation, Rivaldo is also regarded as one of the greatest of all time. Labelled a "bandy-legged genius" by The Guardian (due to being bowlegged), although he was predominantly left footed he was capable of playing on either flank, and was on occasion deployed as a wide midfielder or as a winger.

    Rivaldo spent five years with Spanish club Barcelona, where he formed a successful partnership with Patrick Kluivert, and won the 1998 and 1999 Spanish La Liga championship and the 1998 Copa del Rey. With 130 goals for Barcelona he is the club's ninth highest goalscorer. His three goals against Valencia in June 2001 which qualified Barcelona for the Champions League, the last goal of which was a last minute 20-yard bicycle kick winner, is often ranked the greatest hat-trick ever.

    From 1993 and 2003, Rivaldo played 74 matches and scored 35 goals for Brazil and is the seventh highest goalscorer. He helped Brazil reach the final of the 1998 FIFA World Cup, and won the 1999 Copa América where he was named player of the tournament. Rivaldo starred alongside Ronaldo and Ronaldinho in the 2002 FIFA World Cup winning team. Scoring in five of Brazil’s seven games at the tournament (including a feint that set up Ronaldo for the second goal in the final), Rivaldo was named in the FIFA World Cup All-Star Team in 2002 having also previously been selected in 1998.

    One of the most skillful and creative players of his generation, Rivaldo was renowned for his bending free kicks, bicycle kicks, powerful ball striking from distance, and ability to both score and create goals. In 1999, he won the Ballon d'Or and was named FIFA World Player of the Year. In 2004, he was named by Pelé in the FIFA 100 list of the world's greatest living players. He is an inductee to the Brazilian Football Museum Hall of Fame.







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    Phenomenal technique and total shithouse of a player.

    I thought he was ace.

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    He should have been on frees for Brazil rather than the unbelievably overrated Roberto Carlos (we'll have him in here at some point):

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    That hat trick vs Valencia:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qi0jeyWGM

    How hard does he hit that second one?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    That hat trick vs Valencia:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qi0jeyWGM
    It was one of them that just made you grin and nod sagely

    Is that commentary Dutch ?
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    Rivaldo.
    Knob

    Cheating knob from the Suarez book of cheating knobs.Ronaldinho was better. And nicer.
    Carole Baskin is to blame.

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    Proper cock, magic to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber-_-man View Post
    Rivaldo.
    Knob

    Cheating knob from the Suarez book of cheating knobs.Ronaldinho was better. And nicer.
    So cheating on the pitch is worse than not paying tax and forging passports?

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    Amazing talent. Bit of a cunt.

    Summed up in as few words as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Doog View Post
    So cheating on the pitch is worse than not paying tax and forging passports?
    If we are judging by tax dodges then we are in real trouble!

    I met Ronaldinho and the rest of the Barcelona team by chance at Barcelona airport in 2003. Proper gent. Great with the supporters in the airport. The only one who was stand offish was Edgar Davids. Kluivert and Rijkaard fine too.
    Carole Baskin is to blame.

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    Rivaldo was magnificent to watch.

    Kluivert should feature on here later too
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    Quote Originally Posted by tredman View Post
    Rivaldo was magnificent to watch.

    Kluivert should feature on here later too
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    Had a few misdemeanours with the law didn't he (Kluivert) ? I think he was involved in a car accident through speeding and was caught doing the same in the same place just a few weeks later.

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    2. Jonny Wilkinson

    Jonathan Peter Wilkinson, CBE (born 25 May 1979) is an English former rugby union player. A fly-half, he played for Newcastle Falcons and Toulon and represented England and the British and Irish Lions. He is particularly known for scoring the winning drop goal in the 2003 Rugby World Cup Final and is widely acknowledged as one of the best rugby union players of all time.

    He played club rugby for twelve seasons in the English Premiership with Newcastle Falcons. In 2009 he moved to Toulon, where he won two Heineken Cups and one Top 14 championship in five seasons.

    Wilkinson won 91 caps for England. He was an integral member of the England squad which won the 2003 World Cup, scoring the winning drop goal in the last minute of extra time against Australia in the final. He came back from several injuries and was part of the England team which reached the final of the 2007 World Cup. He toured twice with the British and Irish Lions, in 2001 to Australia and 2005 to New Zealand, winning 6 caps.

    He retired from rugby after the end of the 2013–14 season. In 2016, he was inducted into the World Rugby Hall of Fame. Wilkinson is currently a studio pundit for ITV Sport, working on their coverage of the Six Nations Championship, Rugby World Cup and other rugby events.

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    Did rivaldo do anything cuntish other than pretending to get a ball in the face?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWolves View Post
    Did rivaldo do anything cuntish other than pretending to get a ball in the face?
    Not really as far as I remember (although being in the World Cup, everyone remembers it).

    I loved watching him play though it is odd that he was effectively done when he was 30. Went from superstar to jobbing around shithouse leagues very quickly, and it wasn't like with Ronaldinho where you could see he evidently didn't give a shit about conditioning, or through injuries, or because he lost pace (never really relied on it in the first place).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    Not really as far as I remember (although being in the World Cup, everyone remembers it).

    I loved watching him play though it is odd that he was effectively done when he was 30. Went from superstar to jobbing around shithouse leagues very quickly, and it wasn't like with Ronaldinho where you could see he evidently didn't give a shit about conditioning, or through injuries, or because he lost pace (never really relied on it in the first place).
    I remember him being ace but not really a shit house, well no more than other players, that world cup thing has really tainted memories of him.

    Maybe he just lost interest in the game? *shrugs*

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    He think he still cared as he carried on playing past his 40th birthday, Barca obviously knew more than we did as they released him early from his contract and let him go to Milan for free. It didn't work out there at all and he never played at a serious top level again.

    I knew when he was running through against us in 2002 that he'd score.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLG-XT4d2Cc

    That bloody goal. So annoying. Go in 1-0 up and we'd have been sitting pretty, they hadn't done much until then. Conceding right on HT properly shifted the momentum.

    Becks gets all the flak for it but Scholes is far worse in his contribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    He think he still cared as he carried on playing past his 40th birthday, Barca obviously knew more than we did as they released him early from his contract and let him go to Milan for free. It didn't work out there at all and he never played at a serious top level again.

    I knew when he was running through against us in 2002 that he'd score.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLG-XT4d2Cc

    That bloody goal. So annoying. Go in 1-0 up and we'd have been sitting pretty, they hadn't done much until then. Conceding right on HT properly shifted the momentum.

    Becks gets all the flak for it but Scholes is far worse in his contribution.
    Two of the best players ever combining, sometimes these things just happen. Scholars did get caught out though

    I had no idea Bolton were after him, this is on his wiki

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    In June 2002, Van Gaal returned to manage Barcelona. Rivaldo was released from his contract, and signed a three-year deal with the Italian Serie A club Milan. With Milan, he won the Coppa Italia and the Champions League in the 2002–03 season. After leaving Milan, he briefly returned to Brazil, playing for Cruzeiro in Belo Horizonte.[20] He came close to signing for Bolton Wanderers in 2004, though Bolton eventually pulled out of the deal.[30][31][32

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    Hierro, Djorkaeff, Okocha, Jardel. That was their thing at the time (as we now know, they were building a house on sand)
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    Wilkinson was a superb kicker, in play, drop goals and penalty kicks. Had the heart of a lion and would stop anything that would come his way but if i'm honest he was more of a full back than a fly half for me. I think England have always been guilty of guilty of picking a more defensive than creative number 10 but I'm no expert just a casual fan of the international game.

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    I think that's a fair assessment of how England asked him to play. But I think he had more in his locker than we allowed him to show, he wasn't just a kicking robot. He was a way better player than Farrell is now. Toulon fans absolutely adore him and you're not going to win over French fans if you're limited technically. Meh, I suppose it won us a World Cup (Welsh fans, give me a ring when you get round to that) so I can't criticise the management too much. He was an absolutely superb tackler but to his own cost.

    We had Lewsey, Robinson and Balshaw as options at 15 around then so not sure he'd have got a game there, he didn't have their dynamism. We did definitely still look to Catt to provide a bit more guile quite often rather than just letting Jonny play his own game.

    Should not have gone on the dreadful 2005 Lions tour (which ended up being largely a 2003 tribute act, and a bad one at that) as he was nowhere near fit.
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    Wilkinson was an exceptional kicker, behind the worlds best set of forwards at the time. Free flowing attacking rugby would have been a ridiculous waste of the teams attributes. Not that I am a fan of that type of rugby, I mean England won the World Cup by devising a new method of keeping the ball in forwards for even longer.

    Wilkos tackling was his downfall, too many times he went in for the big hit, when he should have just stopped the player. His body just couldn't take the damage

    Interesting that you consider him the better player to Farrell, I have him as a better all round player, Wilkinson obviously was the better kicker.

    I might do one of these on Ellery Hanley, now there was a rugby player....

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    Wilkinson. Annoyingly fucking good. You knew he was never going to miss. His tackling was detrimental to his career though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbridge Wolf View Post
    Wilkinson was an exceptional kicker, behind the worlds best set of forwards at the time. Free flowing attacking rugby would have been a ridiculous waste of the teams attributes. Not that I am a fan of that type of rugby, I mean England won the World Cup by devising a new method of keeping the ball in forwards for even longer.

    Wilkos tackling was his downfall, too many times he went in for the big hit, when he should have just stopped the player. His body just couldn't take the damage

    Interesting that you consider him the better player to Farrell, I have him as a better all round player, Wilkinson obviously was the better kicker.

    I might do one of these on Ellery Hanley, now there was a rugby player....
    Woodward used the forwards as a battering ram but Wilkinson was his first line of defence. He still holds the tackling record for England at a Workd Cup with 121. Wilkinson and Woodward created the defensive fly half that you could argue Farrell is now.

    Woodward still holds all kinds of kicking and points records and for a small rugby player he was a hell of a player.

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    I mentioned an infamous selection blunder on the cricket thread yesterday...well how about Woodward picking Paul Grayson ahead of Wilkinson for the 1999 quarter final vs South Africa!
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    Just how good were/was/is/are (Sports Edition)

    I think it’s mentioned above, but Wilkinson is a much better touch player than he gets credit for. He was stuck behind the best pack in the world and had possibly the best full back in the world too. The England tactics clearly were designed to make the best of that.

    When he got chance to play proper rugby at Toulon he was bloody brilliant and a total joy to watch.
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    Bit late but Rivaldo was my favourite player as a kid, a bit before I really got into football but still

    I think Barca were playing Liverpool, gunna say I was about 13 so... 2003 ish. Always remember the commentator saying that every time he gets the ball something magic could happen and he was right

    The ball to face thing though.... noob

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    He played for Olympiacos against them in 2004. Scored a free kick.

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    Just nudging this on a post so the next candidate doesn't get stuck at the bottom of a page...
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