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    Not a patch on the PDC stuff on sky. But still a reasonably enjoyable watch. No atmosphere at the Lakeside at all - this 'very best of order' stuff is fucking bollocks.

    Commentators are still mongs though. Tony Green sees a bloke in the crowd dressed as a rock star and makes some feeble line about the rolling stones. The bloke was dressed as Ozzy Osbourne for christ's sake.

    God knows what the three dart averages are but they will be miles below PDC standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    Not a patch on the PDC stuff on sky. But still a reasonably enjoyable watch. No atmosphere at the Lakeside at all - this 'very best of order' stuff is fucking bollocks.

    Commentators are still mongs though. Tony Green sees a bloke in the crowd dressed as a rock star and makes some feeble line about the rolling stones. The bloke was dressed as Ozzy Osbourne for christ's sake.

    God knows what the three dart averages are but they will be miles below PDC standard.
    I can't watch it for longer than 20 minutes, everything seems to irritate me mainly the poor darts and the lack of an atmosphere whereas i could watch the PDC on sky all day as even if their is a particularly poor game the commentators and crowd can drag you through it.

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    I always like the way the BBC give 3 dart averages for the whole leg and also the first nine darts. So that will be average that ignores the fact the players can't bloody finish. Earlier Tony Green came out with the line "180, and then a ton" almost reverentially as if such scoring was never seen. That's a bog standard PDC leg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    Commentators are still mongs though. Tony Green sees a bloke in the crowd dressed as a rock star and makes some feeble line about the rolling stones. The bloke was dressed as Ozzy Osbourne for christ's sake.
    The commentary is awful. They didn't know the checkouts this afternoon.

    The BDO at Lakeside was summed up for me last year, when the camera cut to an old woman in the crowddoing her knitting.

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    Just watching the highlights now.

    "Adams has only averaged below 90 in four of his last 23 games at Lakeside".

    Oh, big fucking wow. 90!

    I still watch it because I love darts. I maintain though that if Paddy grows a pair, gets his missus to install a board in his house, we practice every day, we could play at this level. We have been known to have the odd match between us that wouldn't be far off this.
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    I watched the Douglas v Robson match last night. There were some hilarious cuts to the crowd, including one old bloke who looked like he could barely focus on his bottle of beer, and just before the advert when the music came on it cut to a wide shot and some pissed bloke doing a hilarious dance in the middle of the aisles.

    As for the actual tournament, well it looks like it hasn't moved on at all. There's no atmosphere and the scorer has an annoying Welsh lilt (no offence Pad). The dart throws sound deafeningly loud when they hit the board too. Back off the mike a bit!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear View Post
    Back off the mike a bit!!
    Nice Mark and Lard reference there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    Nice Mark and Lard reference there.


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    Does anyone follow Chris Mason on Twitter? He was having a massive rant at Martin Adams last night, saying one of the games had cost him 11k

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    Mason plays Superleague for Dudley, he won 3-0 last night but looked somewhat miffed when he was throwing.
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    This is useful:

    Finishing

    There are basically three sections of numbers for all the finish combinations. These are determined by how many trebles it takes to hit the checkout. The first group of finishes is 170-131, and all these checkouts require two trebles to get to a double. The second group is 130- 91, all these finishes require you to hit at least one of your first two darts in a treble. And from 90 down you can get to a double finish without having to hit a treble. (There are a couple of exceptions, you can get to a double from 132 and 135 with only one treble if the first dart is a 25 or bull, and you can get to a finish from 91-95 without a treble if the first dart is a 25 or bull). The highest numbers in each of these three groups are your TARGET NUMBERS:
    a) 170 b) 130 c) 90

    Once you get into the 200's you should know, before you go to the oche, how many points are needed to get to 170. If you're on 229 you should be aware that 60 points will NOT put you on a finish, so if your first two darts only hit single 20's then throw the third dart at the treble 19. Both the treble 20 and treble 19 will leave you a three dart checkout on your next visit, but should you miss the treble and land in the single, only the single 19 will also leave you on a three dart finish. Notice how the single points the way to the correct treble. It is also important to commit to memory the numbers under 170 that can't be taken out even with three darts (159, 162, 163, 165, 166, 168, and 169). Make sure that when you're coming down from the 200's you do not leave yourself on any of these numbers!

    You should always try to get as many points as you can until you are at a checkout, but while you are coming down try to make sure you at least get to the next target area. It will save you darts! The next target area starts with 130 and goes to 91. There are however a few numbers to avoid in this group: 129, 128 and 125. These three checkouts are a real pain in the arse, and here's why. Taking 129 first, our normal strategy tells us that the proper first dart is T19, for if you only hit a single you will still be on a two dart checkout 110. But if you manage to hit the T19 first, it only gets you to 72, (which means you can't get to the bull with one single should you miss the treble) so you will have to hit another treble to make the checkout. But then if you decided to scrap that plan and take T20 first, you'd end up below 70 if you make the treble, which gives you a bull safety net, but you'd be left with no other options on 109 with two darts left should you hit the single 20. So there are disadvantages for either way of finishing from 129, but you're best steering clear because it's a stinker that doesn't look too bad from a first glance. Without repeating the details, the same pretty much applies to 125 and 128.

    This is a good time to discuss the two dart checkouts in this target group, commit these to memory: 100, 101, 104, 107 and 110. If you are any where in the 120's, throw your first dart at the treble where the single will leave you on one of these two dart checkouts, but never leave yourself on 99. Here is an example, a 126 checkout. Many beginners will throw for treble 20 on the first dart because its even, but if they miss and hit a single 20 then they are on 106 with no way to checkout on this turn. Three more darts for the other guy! The proper first dart is treble 19, if you hit it you're on 69 (below the crucial 70 mark), or if you miss you're on 107, whichever way both can be taken out with two darts. It is not important to remember every single way of checking out, just a few target numbers and making sure that you get the most out of a single should you miss a treble. This decision making process should come naturally after a while - work everything out while your opponent is throwing his darts and before you approach the oche. Try to keep your darts flowing, don't stop excessively for pauses to work things out. Be prepared for the options before they present themselves.

    The final target of below 90 is probably the most important target of all, because from here you can get to a winning double without having to hit a treble. You should consider yourself safe at this point, because you know on this throw you should be able to have at least one dart to win the game. An important number in this group is 70, try to make sure (if you are at 90 or less) that your first dart brings you to 70 or less, as this is crucial in getting to a checkout without forcing yourself to hit a treble. For example if you are on 88, many players like T16 D20, but a single 16 will leave you on 72 forcing you to hit a treble with your second dart, and if you miss the other guy gets three more darts. The best way is T20, D14. If you miss the treble and catch a single 20, this will bring you to 68, where you can finish by throwing T18, D7. That's right T18, D7! This is because if you miss the second dart and catch a single 18 you still have a third dart to win at the bull. This is the way the pros use the whole board to squeeze out every possible opportunity. Learn to ignore the convenient maths (like the above 48+40=88) and start to remember target numbers, such as 170, 130, 90 and 70 instead. The rest will fall into place.

    Tactics

    There are two aspects in becoming a good dart player, they are accuracy and strategy.

    Accuracy is your ability to hit a particular target. Strategy is the decision making process that one goes through to decide on what target to throw at. In any dart game accuracy is about 90% of winning, and 10% strategy.

    Having good strategy can improve your accuracy in two ways. First is confidence; you might get a real confidence boost when you're up against a player that you can see doesn't know his checkouts or hesitates. Second, is rhythm. I have found that when players are throwing their best, it is when they have established a rhythm in their darts. The most common thing that will disrupt a player's rhythm is a lack of strategy; it is very hard to maintain a rhythm when you have to stop and add your score in the middle of your throw.

    Isn't one of the most common excuses in darts, "I got down to a checkout, but I couldn't finish it"?

    I’ll deal mainly with strategy but here are some helpful hints on accuracy. The best way to improve your accuracy is to practice, practice, and practice! When you practice, have a few routines where you can measure your progress. This will force you to improve and help your concentration.

    For instance, when you practice at home or in your pub, try start by throwing 100 darts at the 20's and count how many you get. Score 3 for the trebles, 2 for the doubles and 1 for the singles. Every time I do this I am always trying to do one score better than the time before. The main point is not to set a specific target, the key is to be able to measure your progress and give an incentive to your practice. There's no point comparing notes with team-mates for this, the idea is to get yourself focused on delivering the dart. You may also want to count how many actually hit the treble 20, this will tell you what percentage of your darts are hitting trebles, and more importantly what percentage don't. This percentage will be important later in deciding strategy.

    Another form of practice that is largely overlooked is warming up. Having a specific warm-up routine will help your confidence. A repetetive routine is a key to good accuracy. For instance when warming up why not try throw at every double on the board until you hit it? That way you know later in the day in a match you won't find yourself on a number that you have not already taken out - you CAN make the double, you've proved yourself to have done so already. If you want to take it to the next level, throw at every double and do not move onto the next until you hit 2 out of 3 darts in each double!

    501 is a race, i.e. the player who finishes in the fewest darts wins. The fastest a player can finish is obviously 9 darts, but you're unlikely to be doing that on a pub night! If you can finish in 20-25 darts you will win a lot more games than you lose. You don't have to be a world beater.

    There are many opportunities on the board to help you get to an out in fewer darts. First, you must learn to use the whole board, and shed the beginner's habit of trying to get to a favourite double. The pro's know that all of the doubles are the same size and one is just as easy to hit as another (except for the bull). The pro's only favour a certain double because they have the ability to consistently land on it - don't disrupt your pattern of play by searching out a favoured double. If there are certain areas of the board you don't like, then you're giving yourself a handicap right off the bat.

    Many beginners like double 16 because it breaks down 4 times all the way to double one. But when playing advanced players you are likely to only get one or two sets of darts at a double before its over. Here is another example to illustrate this point. A player is on 61 with two darts in his hand and his opponent is on 32. Chances are if he does not take it out with these two darts he will lose. Many beginners will try for treble 15 double 8. But any pro will tell you there is only one way to take out a 61 with two darts, treble 11 double 14. The reason for this is whether or not you hit a treble or single 11 with the second dart, you are guaranteed a third dart at an out, double 14 or the bull. Going the first way, a single 15 will leave you on 46; and you have just given your opponent three more darts!

    In 501, a good rule of thumb for picking which treble to shoot at, is to assume the dart is going to hit a single. Whichever single will do you the most good, that's the treble. Think of it as a "Get out of jail free card". Remember even good players only hit trebles 15%-20% of the time, which means that on any one dart there is an 80%- 85% chance that at best you will hit a single!
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    Christ, darts theory and tactics there was me thinking it was 2 fat blokes throwing pointy things at a board. No wonder I always get beat.
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    It's a sport, man. Should be in the Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    It's a sport, man. Should be in the Olympics.
    Seconded, along with beer drinking.

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    Who wrote all that Dan, anyone we've heard of?
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    I don't know who wrote it, I just found it in isolation. All makes good sense in theory.
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    It is brilliant stuff, and even decent pub players could learn a lot from it. I certainly have in just reading it. No more trying to get to my favourite double 12.
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    Right, darts scorer. You need two things:

    a) Be able to add up
    b) Be able to speak coherently

    This gimp can't do either, who made that career choice?

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    The more I look at that finishing strategy article, the more I like it. I think I will use it to work out the finishing sheet from as many of the outs I can. Along with the doubles practice regime, I think it will help me improve a lot, as my scoring is already pretty decent.
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    Don't you get improving, you git. You beat me all the time as it is.
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    I reckon a darts night should happen. I have arrows I havent used in yonks, Kenny also hits the wall as well...Anybody else ????

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    The end is nigh for this tournament. The standard I watched last night was appalling and that was from a guy who reached last years final. It shows how much notice I took of last years tournament bacause I had never heard of him.

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    We could have some darts involved as part of my stag, quirk. I can guarantee I will be shit then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    We could have some darts involved as part of my stag, quirk. I can guarantee I will be shit then.
    Speaking of which.

    Send me over a list of names and emails so I can start to put this disaster together x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Speaking of which.

    Send me over a list of names and emails so I can start to put this disaster together x
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    Regarding the end is nigh, the movement of Martin Adams to the bdo board would certainly make me agree. The previous martinet that ran the bdo, whose name escapes me just now (olly croft rings a bell but is probably wrong) ran the bdo as his personal empire and that kept it going. The BBC exclusivity of this farce of a world championship helped. Now ESPN have coverage that is another nail. With alternative coverage, darts fans will watch on ESPN rather than the snippets the beeb can be arsed with. Eventually auntie will walk away and that will be curtains.
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    Auntie have already walked away from Championship football this season, hell the darts on BBC is on the edge of the cliff waiting to be pushed.

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    Especially as itv4 do better coverage when they have a tournament.
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