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    We seem to have a lot of posters commenting on some threads about UKIP saying things like they are 'harmless' and are 'nothing to worry about even if they gain some seats'.

    To me, they are the most despicable party in politics at the moment (because people think they are so harmless) and I wonder if this country may be sleepwalking into disaster.

    I think people need to be aware....

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    We never lose. We either win or we learn.

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    We never lose. We either win or we learn.

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    We never lose. We either win or we learn.

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    They are the respectable middle aged, middle class face of the BNP. Horrible, nasty bunch of bigots.
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    I wouldn't say they're "harmless", they clearly play on fear and like to encourage division in society, neither of which are a good thing or particularly helpful.

    I would say that their long term political impact will be negligible.
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    Don't know if it's true , but i was told today that Farage is in Arhens.
    If so he is clearly here to form alliances with the greek (nazi) party, 'crisi avgi' (golden dawn) who/s videos of 8 and 9 year old recruits performing the nazi salute were aired on Greek TV last night.

    They are all racist Nazi's, whatever KTEC likes to pretend, as the newspaper quotes above clearly prove.

    It's 2013 not 1913 or is it a pre requisite of nazi racists that they can't read a calendar or think for themselves.
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    Last edited by pavlosmacwolf; 19th January 2014 at 06:54 AM.
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    The UKIP manifesto is hilarious.

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    I think most people on here know that my political stance is right of centre. I am a Conservative though, and I really can't relate to huge swathes of the stuff UKIP go on about. They are a pretty vile party. Their most damaging night was when one of their high-ups was on Mock the Week and spectacularly revealed himself to be a sexist, racist bigot.

    I may fall the Conservative side of the political discussion but there is nothing in the BNP or UKIP I can approve of, frankly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlosmacwolf View Post

    It's 2013 not 1913 or is it a pre requisite of nazi racists that they can't read a calendar or think for themselves.
    When does New Year fall in Greece, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hark View Post
    When does New Year fall in Greece, then?
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    Its quite easy to pull random quotes and tar an entire bunch of people as all being the same. Here's a few from labour, however, it would be childish to claim labour is entirely made up of, as Toon would put it "A horrible, nasty bunch of bigots."

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...4#.Utr1AdLFKmU

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22485739

    http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-l...let-27982.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aricature.html

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    My view is that UKIP is a single issue party. Their manifesto doesn't really matter as they're never going to get into power, in the same way as the green party's manifesto, and the socialist party's manifesto also don't matter.

    What will be interesting is if they poll more votes in the upcoming euro elections than any of the mainstream parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hark View Post
    When does New Year fall in Greece, then?
    When the cypro runs out, not soon ha ha ha
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    Surely if they poll more votes than others in the Euro elections they will get more seats and therefore wield more power and influence so their manifesto does matter.
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    Their manifesto matters simply because you'll get some who will buy into it.
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    The likes of the BNP and UKIP have only gained support and won elections because of the state of the three mainstream parties. A lot of people are totally fed up with the state of affairs in Westminster, and issues like the expenses scandal turned more people away from goings on in Westminster. It has happened before that fringe parties have prospered on the back of apathy amongst voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankMunro-371 View Post
    The likes of the BNP and UKIP have only gained support and won elections because of the state of the three mainstream parties. A lot of people are totally fed up with the state of affairs in Westminster, and issues like the expenses scandal turned more people away from goings on in Westminster. It has happened before that fringe parties have prospered on the back of apathy amongst voters.

    I can see why lib dems, greens etc might pick up votes because of apathy, but I can't understand how apathy could make you a racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tredman View Post
    I can see why lib dems, greens etc might pick up votes because of apathy, but I can't understand how apathy could make you a racist?
    Apathy doesn't make you a racist, but playing to an illiterate dumb electorate gets you votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tredman View Post
    I can see why lib dems, greens etc might pick up votes because of apathy, but I can't understand how apathy could make you a racist?
    I would imagine that a lot of people who vote for UKIP are not racists, and maybe neither understand or care about their policies, but have had enough of the same tired old rhetoric from the three main parties.

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    How can a party that constantly comes in behind UKIP in the polls (in the form of the Lib Dems) be considered "more mainstream"? Did anyone outside of the West Country know what they stood for before the debate that took place before the last general election? Did anyone vote for them for reasons other than not wanting to vote for the blue team or the red team?

    Most current polls agree that UKIP is the "third party" behind Lab and Con, with the Lib Dems struggling somewhere behind. Green politics are more popular on the continent but are the preserve of young, middle class people in this country who like to think they're "ahead of the curve". They've got a MP in Westminster though, so I assume you would think they're "more mainstream" than UKIP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc225 View Post
    How can a party that constantly comes in behind UKIP in the polls (in the form of the Lib Dems) be considered "more mainstream"? Did anyone outside of the West Country know what they stood for before the debate that took place before the last general election? Did anyone vote for them for reasons other than not wanting to vote for the blue team or the red team?
    Their political viewpoint is more mainstream, and without them, old Davey boy would be struggling even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North West Wanderer View Post
    Their political viewpoint is more mainstream, and without them, old Davey boy would be struggling even more.
    I would've agreed with you a few years ago but at the moment we're seeing the fabled shoots of recovery. I actually think that Bullingdon Club Dave is doing a good job as it stands.

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    White working class don't feel represented by Conservatives or Liberals and even less so by Labour. That is the problem.
    They have become marginalised in their own country, if the main parties bothered to represent them then they wouldn't be voting UKIP.
    The main parties are ignoring them because the white working class have become the minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arklowolf View Post
    White working class don't feel represented by Conservatives or Liberals and even less so by Labour. That is the problem.
    They have become marginalised in their own country, if the main parties bothered to represent them then they wouldn't be voting UKIP.
    The main parties are ignoring them because the white working class have become the minority.
    The Lib Dems have never pretended to represent the white working class. They're the party of people living in quaint villages in Devon and Cornwall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc225 View Post
    The Lib Dems have never pretended to represent the white working class. They're the party of people living in quaint villages in Devon and Cornwall.
    Yep I know. Flim-Flam wooly minded wierdos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc225 View Post
    I would've agreed with you a few years ago but at the moment we're seeing the fabled shoots of recovery.
    Not outside London....

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    Quote Originally Posted by arklowolf View Post
    White working class don't feel represented by Conservatives or Liberals and even less so by Labour. That is the problem.

    They have become marginalised in their own country, if the main parties bothered to represent them then they wouldn't be voting UKIP.

    The main parties are ignoring them because the white working class have become the minority.

    They're not the minority and the vast amount of recent 'policy' announcements seem to be targeted at them (pandering to the immigrants taking our jobs view, energy price freeze, breaking up the banks, free school meals, increase in minimum wage, etc, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visage View Post
    Not outside London....
    We have a steady rate of growth and inflation is falling to more sustainable levels. It'll be a while before that starts to translate into everyone's pockets but we're well on the way. We can even look back on Gordon Brown's Turkmenbashi-esque proclamation that he'd abolished boom and bust and fall out of our chairs with laughter in the knowledge that the bumbling idiot and his party can no longer drag the country to its knees.

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