Another shooting.

[Alan]

Updated to 50 dead, 53 injured. Deadliest mass shooting in US history.

[Paddingtonwolf]

Quite a high bar.

Dreadful day. The LBGT community in Orlando must be devastated.

[Hamlet]

-Mass shooting

-Obama makes a speech to the nation

-Arguments break out on how gun control is needed vs how gun control would not work

-Not a single fucking thing will be done

-Cycle repeats the next time this happens.

I don't know what it will take for something to change in the US. It's absolutely devastating what's happened and like the last...god knows how many shootings we never want to see anything like this again

[Paddingtonwolf]

So right sadly.

[Tony Towner]

Guns will become irrelevant now there is an ISIS connection, even though he was an American citizen who legally held 2 gun licences. Wouldn't even be surprised to see the real right wing hillbilly types trying to weave 'God's Way' into it somehow given the victims. Donald Trump trying to make political capital already....classy

[Lupo]

Reports that he saw 2 men kissing and was so offended he went on a gun rampage.

So, another fucking lunatic not a terrorist. His Muslim name is incidental

[Tony Towner]

Reports that he saw 2 men kissing and was so offended he went on a gun rampage.

So, another $#@!ing lunatic not a terrorist. His Muslim name is incidental

Not if reports he called 911 and swore allegiance to ISIS it isn't

[ROVERT47]

Meanwhile, the Donald says he 'accepts the congratulations on being right on Islamic radicalisation', no mention of the 50 who have been killed.
To think this man could be the most powerful man in the world. Shudder.

[Lupo]

Not if reports he called 911 and swore allegiance to ISIS it isn't

Just had a news report on the phone saying ISIS wankers have claimed responsibility

[Lincs_Wolf]

-Mass shooting

-Obama makes a speech to the nation

-Arguments break out on how gun control is needed vs how gun control would not work

-Not a single fucking thing will be done

-Cycle repeats the next time this happens.

I don't know what it will take for something to change in the US. It's absolutely devastating what's happened and like the last...god knows how many shootings we never want to see anything like this again

That's the issue with American system though with their bicameral system change is hamstrung by the 2nd amendment screeching Republicans holding majorities in Congress and the House of Reps even the most determined of Presidents faces a huge challenge in forcing through gun control.

[Paddingtonwolf]

Meanwhile, the Donald says he 'accepts the congratulations on being right on Islamic radicalisation', no mention of the 50 who have been killed.
To think this man could be the most powerful man in the world. Shudder.

Hmmm

I would have thought shooting "gays" would have appealed to that cunt Trump

[ROVERT47]

Hmmm

I would have thought shooting "gays" would have appealed to that $#@! Trump

Indeed.

[Paddingtonwolf]

I don't like him. I try to keep it quiet but it sometimes slips out

[FrankMunro-371]

Daesh have said they would attack on the American mainland, and sadly it appears they have done so, albeit aided by the inadequate American gun laws.

[Kenny]

Daesh have said they would attack on the American mainland, and sadly it appears they have done so, albeit aided by the inadequate American gun laws.

I would wait until the investigation proves it has anything to do with IS other than a nutter using them as his reason rather than being part of them. Also, IS have taken a battering recently so the chance to say "yep that was one of ours" is an easy win for them, even if he wasn't/

[FrankMunro-371]

I would wait until the investigation proves it has anything to do with IS other than a nutter using them as his reason rather than being part of them. Also, IS have taken a battering recently so the chance to say "yep that was one of ours" is an easy win for them, even if he wasn't/

Daesh have claimed responsibility for the murders.

[The Saturday Boy]

A few years back ISIS declared that nobody needed to ask permission to act in their name - even if the phone call turns out to be true it is unlikely that there is a direct line between ISIS and this attack.

[Kenny]

Daesh have claimed responsibility for the murders.

Means nothing right now. Like I said, easy for them to do so especially has they have lost a lot of ground in Syria recently and this is an easy opportunity to say they are still around and strong

As the USA have said, they will investigate any links he has to them, if any.

[FrankMunro-371]

A few years back ISIS declared that nobody needed to ask permission to act in their name - even if the phone call turns out to be true it is unlikely that there is a direct line between ISIS and this attack.

Fair comment. I just felt that with ISIS admitting responsibility so quickly it was probably the case that they were involved.

[Lincs_Wolf]

Daesh have claimed responsibility for the murders.

Ah, it must be true if the beacon of truth and decency have claimed responsibility.

[jd1981]

Did anyone just witness Telegraph columnist Owen Jones storm out of the Sky news press preview whilst debating today's horrors? Really struggled to see why he was getting so angry

[Cyber-_-man]

Disgraceful and disgusting murders who ever is ultimately responsible.

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

Fair comment. I just felt that with ISIS admitting responsibility so quickly it was probably the case that they were involved.

Not really, just that it is their political interest to do so.

[Hereford Wolf]

Did anyone just witness Telegraph columnist Owen Jones storm out of the Sky news press preview whilst debating today's horrors? Really struggled to see why he was getting so angry

I thought he looked an idiot. Trying to say that if you're not gay then you don't understand.
He didn't do himself or his friends any favours.

[Penk Wolf]

Headline in Turkish paper.

'50 Perverts Killed in Bar'

[Papper]

Not a big fan of his but Jones is correct and fair play to him. If it had been an attack on Jewish people it would be an Anti-Semitic hate crime and because it's an attack on Gay people it becomes a non labelled act of terror, a human tragedy by a lunatic. I suppose it depends on what agenda the media or people like Trump wish to push.

[Langers]

I've seen the Owen Jones clip and I can totally understand why he got so exasperated. Though the way it panned out, I would have thought if he was going to leave the debate, he'd have done so earlier than he did. I thought it'd calmed down a bit by the time he did leave.

The other two in the debate didn't help themselves IMO. Not untypical for Sky News though.

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

Headline in Turkish paper.

'50 Perverts Killed in Bar'

Seriously, ffs? Turkey on a fast track to becoming another quasi-dictatorship like Russia, ruled by a deranged hardliner. German MPs of Turkish descent are now under police protection following death threats coming from Turkey because of a Armenian genocide vote in the Bundestag. If Trump is elected I see the US heading down a similar path.

[Alan]

FBI has declared the shooter had no links to any outside organizations and there is no indication there were any other individuals involved.

[Premier Quality]

Meanwhile, the Donald says he 'accepts the congratulations on being right on Islamic radicalisation', no mention of the 50 who have been killed.
To think this man could be the most powerful man in the world. Shudder.

Just for completeness

"Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!"