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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    Kinnock couldn't win after 13 years of Tory 11 of which were Thatcher, Essex man / Worcester woman will only vote Labour if they feel they are voting for a Labour Party that represents them and that isn't hard(ish) left. Hardening the vote in already staunch Labour areas is pointless under FPTP. Corbyn actually represents my views closer than any of the other candidates, but the best way to ensure Tory policies aren't enforced is for them to not be in power, I recognise that as principled as it may be this won't happen under Corbyn. He won't win anyway because of second preference votes.
    there's nothing hard left about Corbyn - he's pretty middle of the road sensible left, no some raging communist as the so-called press in the UK try to paint him

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    Indeed. But if you read the comments made by people (who have taken their cue from the RW press) you'd think he was a cross between Marx and Lenin.

    So when I refer to the electorate needing re-educating, Im not referrring to pushing them in a specific direction - im talking about providing basic civics education to all schoolchildren. In the same way you can teach RE without promoting a given religion, its perfectly possible to teach kids about politics without indoctrination.

    A more educated electorate that makes choices that are informed by a basic understanding of politics (and economics as well) would be no bad thing.

    Or we could just go by who is best at eating a bacon sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visage View Post
    Indeed. But if you read the comments made by people (who have taken their cue from the RW press) you'd think he was a cross between Marx and Lenin.

    So when I refer to the electorate needing re-educating, Im not referrring to pushing them in a specific direction - im talking about providing basic civics education to all schoolchildren. In the same way you can teach RE without promoting a given religion, its perfectly possible to teach kids about politics without indoctrination.

    A more educated electorate that makes choices that are informed by a basic understanding of politics (and economics as well) would be no bad thing.

    Or we could just go by who is best at eating a bacon sandwich.
    Spot on!

    The electorate doesn't know what's good for them, obviously. The right-wing press tells 'em how to vote. A more educated electorate is necessary. I meet airheads that simply spout their parents'/neighbours views, without a single thought. I 'converted' a 55 year-old lifelong Tory voter, last week. Now he knows how he (and his nearest and dearest) would benefit from Socialism. He had the 'visions of grandeur' that many (relatively) well-off working class people have. By simply pointing out the evils of capitalism (in great detail) and the benefits of a mixed economy (no, just like Jeremy Corbyn, I am not a cross between Marx and Lenin) he has changed his views.
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    Sounds like some sort of indoctrination. What you're saying is if you don't want socialism then you don't know what you're talking about or what is good for you?

    Sounds like a pleasant democracy.
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    We have an electorate that has a vey poor grasp of politics and political theory, leading to a poor standard of debate and a lack of real accountability. Regardless of your political leanings that cant be a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visage View Post
    We have an electorate that has a vey poor grasp of politics and political theory, leading to a poor standard of debate and a lack of real accountability. Regardless of your political leanings that cant be a good thing.
    I agree with that. Education should be the only way forward with no bias at all.
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    http://newsthump.com/2015/07/27/expe...th-principles/

    Would be funnier if it wasn't so bloody accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langers View Post
    http://newsthump.com/2015/07/27/expe...th-principles/

    Would be funnier if it wasn't so bloody accurate.
    It is excellent though Langers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visage View Post
    Indeed. But if you read the comments made by people (who have taken their cue from the RW press) you'd think he was a cross between Marx and Lenin.

    So when I refer to the electorate needing re-educating, Im not referrring to pushing them in a specific direction - im talking about providing basic civics education to all schoolchildren. In the same way you can teach RE without promoting a given religion, its perfectly possible to teach kids about politics without indoctrination.

    A more educated electorate that makes choices that are informed by a basic understanding of politics (and economics as well) would be no bad thing.

    Or we could just go by who is best at eating a bacon sandwich.
    I'm always quite entertained by the view of the left that the rightwing press has some kind of hypnotic power to enslave millions of people.

    Don't you think the other three labour candidates making clear that they think Corbyn is a lunatic with no ability to talk to anyone other than other lunatics may be influencing people also? Or are the other three labour candidates part of the rightwing press as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Premier Quality View Post
    I'm always quite entertained by the view of the left that the rightwing press has some kind of hypnotic power to enslave millions of people.

    Don't you think the other three labour candidates making clear that they think Corbyn is a lunatic with no ability to talk to anyone other than other lunatics may be influencing people also? Or are the other three labour candidates part of the rightwing press as well?
    Nope...just right wing
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