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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    Kinnock couldn't win after 13 years of Tory 11 of which were Thatcher, Essex man / Worcester woman will only vote Labour if they feel they are voting for a Labour Party that represents them and that isn't hard(ish) left. Hardening the vote in already staunch Labour areas is pointless under FPTP. Corbyn actually represents my views closer than any of the other candidates, but the best way to ensure Tory policies aren't enforced is for them to not be in power, I recognise that as principled as it may be this won't happen under Corbyn. He won't win anyway because of second preference votes.
    there's nothing hard left about Corbyn - he's pretty middle of the road sensible left, no some raging communist as the so-called press in the UK try to paint him

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    Indeed. But if you read the comments made by people (who have taken their cue from the RW press) you'd think he was a cross between Marx and Lenin.

    So when I refer to the electorate needing re-educating, Im not referrring to pushing them in a specific direction - im talking about providing basic civics education to all schoolchildren. In the same way you can teach RE without promoting a given religion, its perfectly possible to teach kids about politics without indoctrination.

    A more educated electorate that makes choices that are informed by a basic understanding of politics (and economics as well) would be no bad thing.

    Or we could just go by who is best at eating a bacon sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visage View Post
    Indeed. But if you read the comments made by people (who have taken their cue from the RW press) you'd think he was a cross between Marx and Lenin.

    So when I refer to the electorate needing re-educating, Im not referrring to pushing them in a specific direction - im talking about providing basic civics education to all schoolchildren. In the same way you can teach RE without promoting a given religion, its perfectly possible to teach kids about politics without indoctrination.

    A more educated electorate that makes choices that are informed by a basic understanding of politics (and economics as well) would be no bad thing.

    Or we could just go by who is best at eating a bacon sandwich.
    Spot on!

    The electorate doesn't know what's good for them, obviously. The right-wing press tells 'em how to vote. A more educated electorate is necessary. I meet airheads that simply spout their parents'/neighbours views, without a single thought. I 'converted' a 55 year-old lifelong Tory voter, last week. Now he knows how he (and his nearest and dearest) would benefit from Socialism. He had the 'visions of grandeur' that many (relatively) well-off working class people have. By simply pointing out the evils of capitalism (in great detail) and the benefits of a mixed economy (no, just like Jeremy Corbyn, I am not a cross between Marx and Lenin) he has changed his views.
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    Sounds like some sort of indoctrination. What you're saying is if you don't want socialism then you don't know what you're talking about or what is good for you?

    Sounds like a pleasant democracy.
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    We have an electorate that has a vey poor grasp of politics and political theory, leading to a poor standard of debate and a lack of real accountability. Regardless of your political leanings that cant be a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visage View Post
    We have an electorate that has a vey poor grasp of politics and political theory, leading to a poor standard of debate and a lack of real accountability. Regardless of your political leanings that cant be a good thing.
    I agree with that. Education should be the only way forward with no bias at all.
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    Would be funnier if it wasn't so bloody accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langers View Post
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    Would be funnier if it wasn't so bloody accurate.
    It is excellent though Langers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visage View Post
    Indeed. But if you read the comments made by people (who have taken their cue from the RW press) you'd think he was a cross between Marx and Lenin.

    So when I refer to the electorate needing re-educating, Im not referrring to pushing them in a specific direction - im talking about providing basic civics education to all schoolchildren. In the same way you can teach RE without promoting a given religion, its perfectly possible to teach kids about politics without indoctrination.

    A more educated electorate that makes choices that are informed by a basic understanding of politics (and economics as well) would be no bad thing.

    Or we could just go by who is best at eating a bacon sandwich.
    I'm always quite entertained by the view of the left that the rightwing press has some kind of hypnotic power to enslave millions of people.

    Don't you think the other three labour candidates making clear that they think Corbyn is a lunatic with no ability to talk to anyone other than other lunatics may be influencing people also? Or are the other three labour candidates part of the rightwing press as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Premier Quality View Post
    I'm always quite entertained by the view of the left that the rightwing press has some kind of hypnotic power to enslave millions of people.

    Don't you think the other three labour candidates making clear that they think Corbyn is a lunatic with no ability to talk to anyone other than other lunatics may be influencing people also? Or are the other three labour candidates part of the rightwing press as well?
    Nope...just right wing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Premier Quality View Post
    I'm always quite entertained by the view of the left that the rightwing press has some kind of hypnotic power to enslave millions of people.

    Don't you think the other three labour candidates making clear that they think Corbyn is a lunatic with no ability to talk to anyone other than other lunatics may be influencing people also? Or are the other three labour candidates part of the rightwing press as well?
    No, they're just utterly vacuous and ineffective.


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    The media are right wing to a horrendous degree in this country. Unless PQ can point me to the numerous left wing wonders that infiltrate the BBC and Sky News.
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    Britain got what it deserved. It backed the tories when at worst a coalition was needed. I think labour should go left. At least you will get a real choice rather than the wishy washy centre left shite served up by Blair and Milliband to their detriment and cost. Look how the tories are already running roughshod on things like hunting and cuts. They needed a coalition to keep them in check but hey ho Milliband was so bad the country (or 34%) put Cameron in with a majority and SNP killed labour in Scotland. The system sucks and has been shown up in three months to be sadly out of touch and unsuitable for the modern era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    The media are right wing to a horrendous degree in this country. Unless PQ can point me to the numerous left wing wonders that infiltrate the BBC and Sky News.
    Here's a few that a quick google turned up...

    The BBC is “a publicly-funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large”.

    All this, he said, “creates an innate liberal bias inside the BBC”.

    –Andrew Marr

    “It’s a bit like walking into a Sunday meeting of the Flat Earth Society. As they discuss great issues of the day, they discuss them from the point of view that the earth is flat.

    “If someone says, ‘No, no, no, the earth is round!’, they think this person is an extremist. That’s what it’s like for someone with my right-of-centre views working inside the BBC.”

    – Jeff Randall, former BBC business editor

    By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’.

    – Peter Sissons, Former BBC News and Current Affairs presenter

    I absorbed and expressed all the accepted BBC attitudes: hostility to, or at least suspicion of, America, monarchy, government, capitalism, empire, banking and the defence establishment, and in favour of the Health Service, state welfare, the social sciences, the environment and state education. But perhaps our most powerful antagonism was directed at advertising. This is not surprising; commercial television was the biggest threat the BBC had ever had to face.

    – Sir Antony Jay, former BBC producer and creator, inter alia, of “Yes, (Prime) Minister”

    “Liberal sceptical humanists tend to dominate television”.

    The “default position in broadcasting” – when covering issues such as gay marriage and the Roman Catholic position on IVF – revolved around human rights, and that opponents should not be treated as “lunatics”.

    “All I’m saying is, if you have at the centre of News an editor, he could explain why people in particular areas…are motivated, why they behave as they do and I think that would just increase understanding.”

    – Roger Bolton, Radio 4 presenter and former head of Panorama and Nationwide

    “And, in the tone of what we say about America, we have a tendency to scorn and deride. We don’t give America any kind of moral weight in our broadcasts.”

    – Justin Webb (pg. 66), Today presenter and former BBC North America editor

    “We need to foster peculiarity, idiosyncrasy, stubborn-mindedness, left-of-centre thinking.”

    – Ben Stephenson, BBC controller of drama commissioning

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    Really? Google turned all those quotes up. That's some impressive research on your part. There are few other forums of this nature where people take the time and effort to craft the debate, take time to research their position before posting and not treating other forum members as "lunatics".




















    Or plagiarism without even bothering to credit the source.
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    My apologies, I didn't realise this was some kind of thesis or that I was publishing in a newspaper.

    The quotes are from here.

    http://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saturday Boy View Post
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    So if the left think the BBC is right bias and the right think it's left bias surely that means it's doing a decent job of being neutral?
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    So if the left think the BBC is right bias and the right think it's left bias surely that means it's doing a decent job of being neutral?
    Or it swings depending on the story, the programme - a whole host of different factors. I have never thought it a particularly big issue and any accusations of bias tends to come from people who themselves have their own biases which sort of negates their argument. There can be no opinion without bias and anyone who thinks news reporting can be completely free of any bias is kidding themselves.
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    We have an extreme right wing government, how often do political commentators call them such. Just watch any interview regarding Jeremy Corbyn and how they use the term left wing at every opportunity.
    The BBC is stacked with right wing presenters from Marr, Robinson to Dimbleby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Knows View Post
    We have an extreme right wing government, how often do political commentators call them such. Just watch any interview regarding Jeremy Corbyn and how they use the term left wing at every opportunity.
    The BBC is stacked with right wing presenters from Marr, Robinson to Dimbleby.
    Yeah right.
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    Would be interesting to see Corbyn elected as leader and act as a real opposition to the Conservatives. Do his policies carry any real weight though. It's a massive decision and for me affects the Labour Party going forward. Are they purple or are they red? If he is not elected then I would hope the left leaning resign and go join the SLP rather than pick up their salaries and pensions for a futile cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Knows View Post
    We have an extreme right wing government, how often do political commentators call them such. Just watch any interview regarding Jeremy Corbyn and how they use the term left wing at every opportunity.
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    I'd agree with that. This current govt are slightly to the right of Thatcher yet all the talk is of Labour needing a leader that can take them to the 'centre ground' to compete with the Tories. Labour are actually now a party of the centre right and have been for some time. If its the centre ground that Labour are after they'd be better off mimicking the policies of the SNP than the Conservatives. Corbyn is the only leader that would take them further to the centre as the other candidates will either leave Labour where it is or else move it even further right. The fact that Corbyn is talked of as an extremist and a disaster says it all for the quality of political debate in this country.

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    I think talk of Corbyn being in the centre ground is hilarious.
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    As for BBC bias I would say its output is conservative with a small c rather than pro-Tory. How anyone can watch BBC coverage of a Royal event and claim left wing bias is beyond me but hey ho.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/broadcas...how-biased-bbc

    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/bbc...nd-inaccuracy/

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23501137

    Below are the top 10 things the public get wrong when it comes to their perception of the UK. If the media in the UK does not have a right wing bias then why these misconceptions?

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...get-wrong.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny75 View Post
    I think talk of Corbyn being in the centre ground is hilarious.
    I said Corbyn would take them closer to the centre than the other 3 candidates.
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    Woke up this morning to Yvette Cooper saying Corbyn would see the Tories rule for 10 years. After hearing all the negative stuff I thought I should see what she actually stands for or any detailed critique of Corbyn's policy. Not come across anything so far although this is a top result for 'Yvette Cooper policies'

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...-she-believes/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Templeton Peck View Post
    The fact that Corbyn is talked of as an extremist and a disaster says it all for the quality of political debate in this country.
    In terms of Lab and Con he is an extremist but that's what politics needs. All that matters is what he can communicate to the electorate. I'm open minded but I'd like to know how much of a leader he is who is ' able ' to create change and genuinely and fairly redistribute wealth. Maybe they need to properly define Socialism (which to me isn't a benefit culture)

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    How can anyone suggest Labour need to move to the right to win any election is beyond me. Labour centre / centre right Tory party aping didn't served them well in 2010 or 2015. People haven't actually had any kind of alternative to 1930s austerity presented to them for years so at some point they simply can't be bothered to question the common narrative i.e. that Labour caused the global financial crash of 2008 and that jams on the M4 are the fault of immigrants, whom Labour favour over "us"

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