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    Shamima Begum

    A 19 year old British citizen Shamina Begum who chose to go and fight for Islamic state is currently in a Syrian refugee camp, having already had two children who have since died. She wants to come home but reports show she has no remorse .

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    She should be able to walk from Syria then.
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    As it stands she hasn't been convicted of anything, so she should be able to come back and face any applicable charges.
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    She shouldn’t be allowed back.

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    Would effectively joining an enemy army/organisation be treason or something? I'm as forgiving and understanding as anyone, but this cunt can fuck right off for me. That said I'm sure there are probably more than a handful of genuine former combat personnel that served whilst we've been in conflict with their countries, currently over here. Absolutely guessing obvs
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    Again, treason is a criminal offence so surely she has to face a trial? Unless we just declare people guilty cos we read it in the sun or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tredman View Post
    Again, treason is a criminal offence so surely she has to face a trial? Unless we just declare people guilty cos we read it in the sun or something.
    Yeah, absolutely, if there's a charge there needs to be a trial. But she certainly shouldn't just be welcomed back like a holiday maker
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    So she comes back, grooms more people, sets up a few attacks, etc.

    We know what she is and she isn’t hiding what she is. She can fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del Woppio View Post
    Yeah, absolutely, if there's a charge there needs to be a trial. But she certainly shouldn't just be welcomed back like a holiday maker
    No definitely not, she should be arrested as soon as she sets foot in a country we have an extradition treaty with. But she is still British so deserves a fair trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penk Wolf View Post
    So she comes back, grooms more people, sets up a few attacks, etc.

    We know what she is and she isn’t hiding what she is. She can fuck off.
    I think she can be arrested abroad and stand trial in a foreign jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny75 View Post
    I think she can be arrested abroad and stand trial in a foreign jail.
    That’s fine then. Guantanamo Bay or something similar?

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    I consider myself a liberal but in this instance fuck her.

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    Just arrest her the moment she is in a country with which we have an extradition treaty. And then she is in custody until trial, and if convicted gets a life sentence. So she has absolutely no chance of grooming anyone.

    We don't need fucking guantanamo waterboarding bollocks. She can enjoy one of our category A joints. Preferably a very isolated one.
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    i don't think she should be typically allowed back, having essentially admitted to agreeing with IS. if she gets back she should obviously be arrested.

    there is a legal issue I guess if she is still considered a brit.

    problem is I don't see how you can rehabilitate someone wedded to certain views. i'm sure there are people better informed about such matters than me though.
    it is not that I have no past. rather, it continually fragments on the terrible and vivid ephemera of now.

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    Just inform her if she steps foot in the country she'll be immediately arrested and charged. If she's found guilty she'll be jailed and her baby will be taken into protective services when it's born.

    Her choice then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    Just arrest her the moment she is in a country with which we have an extradition treaty. And then she is in custody until trial, and if convicted gets a life sentence. So she has absolutely no chance of grooming anyone.

    We don't need fucking guantanamo waterboarding bollocks. She can enjoy one of our category A joints. Preferably a very isolated one.
    Minimum cost is 38 k a year. 19 she can't go to full adult jail she would get yoi. Actually it would be tough to convict her of any criminal offence. As a female she would be restricted status similar to cat a for men if she was convicted.

    Personally she made her decision, and on that basis forfeited her right to return , I know that's not what the law says though. She would need a life in protection . why should the public purse fund that?
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    Fuck her, leave her where she is.

    This sob story that she was 16 when she went out there is bollocks, if you;re 16, you at least know that torture and killing and terrorism is bad. And she joined people who were bad. really bad. Even married the cunts. And she did it all of her own free will.

    If Britain lets her back in, she will resurface in the news in relation to terror again, she's got previous and she cant be trusted. Some of you will think that sounds really hardsh but she is waaaaay too much of a risk.

    Can you imagine, if she ends up blowing herself up, or assisting others in similar acts of atrocity, and innocent people die..... can you imagine how the families of the victims would feel?
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    She was 15 when she left wasn't she? Technically still a child, not that it should make a difference about whether she gets access to a fair trial.
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    Unpopular opinion here, apologies in advance.

    If she isn't allowed back then we are effectively striping citizenship and making her stateless. Think long and hard about those consequences elsewhere. Also the child isn't radicalized.

    Other side of the coin, far more deserving people out there who require help and support. Having heard the audio, rather than the written words, she sounds more like a immature teenager than she does a radicalized terrorist but I don't have the facts and neither do any of you. It's a tough dilemma and I understand why others hold a different opinion, but until she can escape Syria on her own two feet (we ain't sending civil servants in to get her), then it's a mute point. At which point she should be equally tried for any crimes committed and deradicalised. The suggestion of a Guantanamo type base is mind boggling ignorance of what Guantanamo is and what damage it has done. We're literally giving authority to other countries in the world to do the same, and not all of them offer the chance of a fair trial.

    Don't think for one second I'd want her on the streets without deradicialisation though, just to be clear.

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    Why would we want to let her in, arrest her and spend tax payers money either rehabilitating or keeping locked up. Especially when she’s not even remorseful.

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    Because she is a British citizen at the end of the day. If she ends up in any other country that doesn't like her behaviour, she will get deported back here. (Bar the states who will send her to Guantanamo presumably).
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    She has already been found guilty by the court of public opinion, sentenced by the same court and her unborn child is collateral damage. I would much rather her crimes were tried in a proper court, by people who can examine all the evidence and make an informed decision while at the same time giving her child the support it will clearly need.

    It wasn’t so long ago that we were turning people out of their beds in Northern Ireland and locking them up without trial.

    I don’t think she has done anything that deserves special treatment, the rule of law that applies to everyone else will do just fine. Anything else sets a dangerous precedent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saturday Boy View Post
    She has already been found guilty by the court of public opinion, sentenced by the same court and her unborn child is collateral damage. I would much rather her crimes were tried in a proper court, by people who can examine all the evidence and make an informed decision while at the same time giving her child the support it will clearly need.

    It wasn’t so long ago that we were turning people out of their beds in Northern Ireland and locking them up without trial.

    I don’t think she has done anything that deserves special treatment, the rule of law that applies to everyone else will do just fine. Anything else sets a dangerous precedent.
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    Not sure there needs to be a trial if someone pleaded guilty.

    Also, not sure people from Northern Ireland went half way around the world, married an IS fighter, admitted to no been fazed from seeing decapitated heads and also having no remorse.

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    Radicalisation happens in prison in the UK. I appreciate the arrest her, try her, then lock her up argument, but why take the risk of her radicalising people in a UK prison and exposing this country to greater risk?

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    Tactically her move is a clever one. The whole debate is happening now while she is in a place where she won't be tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dublin Drummer Wolf View Post
    Fuck her, leave her where she is.

    This sob story that she was 16 when she went out there is bollocks, if you;re 16, you at least know that torture and killing and terrorism is bad. And she joined people who were bad. really bad. Even married the cunts. And she did it all of her own free will.

    If Britain lets her back in, she will resurface in the news in relation to terror again, she's got previous and she cant be trusted. Some of you will think that sounds really hardsh but she is waaaaay too much of a risk.

    Can you imagine, if she ends up blowing herself up, or assisting others in similar acts of atrocity, and innocent people die..... can you imagine how the families of the victims would feel?
    Pretty much this

    The fact that she has shown no remorse and admits to not being fazed by the sight of decapitated heads says a lot about her. These types of people cannot be allowed to just waltz in and out of the country as they wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber-_-man View Post
    Tactically her move is a clever one. The whole debate is happening now while she is in a place where she won't be tried.

    There are two overriding principles of law
    No person can be stateless
    Innocent until proven guilty.
    There is no onus on us assisting her to get here though. If she makes it here either by her own steam or via deportation then yes we'll have to deal with the situation, but until then screw her

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    Surely if she tries to make her way here she’ll get arrested in the first European country she steps in?

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