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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    Excellent, so you agree with what I said in the first place and we've both just wasted 20 minutes
    Apparently!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWolves View Post
    Yeah, momentum "control" labour at the moment. Some of the older labour voters I know don't recognize their party anymore
    In what way? I'm an older Labour voter and remember Labour championing nationalisation, free education (including access to universities), free health care, state support for the vulnerable in our society and workers' rights. A sort of 'for the many, not the few' type of concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    Nope, where we are now is when Corbyn disappeared from the referendum discussion letting Cameron and Osborne be the face of the remain campaign. He allowed people in traditional working class northern communities to believe their life was shit because of the EU to go completely unchecked. Thursday stems back to that. Blaming the PM who won 3 thumping majorities is bizarre, while you have that attitude you will continue to be part of the problem, not the solution.
    People got left behind under Blair. They thought Labour would come to their aid but it was essentially more of the same. Working class and poorer people voted Leave on the basis that something might change. Labour needs policies to affect the lives of these people not fanny about at the edges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Templeton Peck View Post
    Working class and poorer people voted Leave on the basis that something might change.
    Oh, it will. Just not in the way they think.

    I'm in no particular mood to pander to people who doubled or even tripled down on a stupid decision in the face of all available evidence, that's no way to run a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber-_-man View Post
    OK me old. I have worked for the cunt. You haven't. He is more intelligent than you give credit. I do not agree with his politics but he is what Napoleon would call a lucky General. He has something that the public like and believe in. That's why he has a majority. He also has a mandate from the electorate. Its not 52/48 anymore. Remain has been stuffed. So its now up to him to deliver. If he doesnt. Vote him out. I just pray labour understands the need to provide a centrist alternative. I fear not.
    Unusually, I don't disagree with much of what you say on this thread, but just to take issue with the bit in bold. The total votes cast for parties that at least supported a second referendum was in excess of 50% so there still isn't a massive majority one way or the other in terms of Brexit. The reality is that the "remain" vote, in its various guises was split.

    Which is not to say that I don't think the Conservatives have a mandate or that there's still an argument to be had about Brexit. (Much as I think it's the single most stupid act of self harm this nation has committed in a very long time). The Tories ran a much better campaign and had a much better handle on the mood of the electorate than Labour or the Lib Dems and deserved to win.

    Though to be clear - I despise what they stand for, despise their dog whistle tactics and lies, and despise many of them as human beings.

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    Well said SLA.

    I don't think Jess Phillips would want the leadership tbh, though I think she'd make an excellent deputy.

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    I'm surprised there is such strong feelings about RLB, she's been pretty low profile, how does anyone know what she is about?

    I'd be amazed if Phillips doesn't stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant Pyjamas View Post
    I'm surprised there is such strong feelings about RLB, she's been pretty low profile, how does anyone know what she is about?

    I'd be amazed if Phillips doesn't stand.
    She's continuity Corbyn, essentially. Unsurprisingly, she's who that branch of the party is pushing hardest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLA View Post
    Unusually, I don't disagree with much of what you say on this thread, but just to take issue with the bit in bold. The total votes cast for parties that at least supported a second referendum was in excess of 50% so there still isn't a massive majority one way or the other in terms of Brexit. The reality is that the "remain" vote, in its various guises was split.

    Which is not to say that I don't think the Conservatives have a mandate or that there's still an argument to be had about Brexit. (Much as I think it's the single most stupid act of self harm this nation has committed in a very long time). The Tories ran a much better campaign and had a much better handle on the mood of the electorate than Labour or the Lib Dems and deserved to win.

    Though to be clear - I despise what they stand for, despise their dog whistle tactics and lies, and despise many of them as human beings.
    Fair enough. I did type my reply after a couple of bevvies! I am an ardent brexiter as you know but voted lib dem to stop the tories as I despise them. I still have concerns about brexit. I wanted a softer one , always did, but I wanted us to leave.I w