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    Summer 2020 Transfer Window (Extended Version)

    Might as well kick this one off.

    Could well be the summer where we see a lot of bids for our players. Obviously we don't have to sell but player power and all that beats anything a club can do.

    To start off -

    Via Duncan Castles
    Wolves are aware of interest in Adama Traoré from Manchester City, but will not let the player go easily.
    Fosun International [Wolves’ owners] expect a bid of €150m before they even consider selling the player.


    Now, that is potentially bullshit but if a club rocked up and offered us 150m.....we would be insane to say no.

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    Anything north of 60m would be good business.

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    Barca supposedly interested in taking him back there too.
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    We’d get a LOT more than £60m
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    We'd be daft to sell him for anything else than a figure we could build a team for. We're completely set up around him at the moment, and he's a megastar in the making- it'd be folly to sell him for less than he'll be worth for us in the fullness of time.

    No point in selling him for £60 million this summer when he could be worth twice that a year or two after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Might as well kick this one off.

    Could well be the summer where we see a lot of bids for our players. Obviously we don't have to sell but player power and all that beats anything a club can do.

    To start off -

    Via Duncan Castles
    Wolves are aware of interest in Adama Traoré from Manchester City, but will not let the player go easily.
    Fosun International [Wolves’ owners] expect a bid of €150m before they even consider selling the player.


    Now, that is potentially bullshit but if a club rocked up and offered us 150m.....we would be insane to say no.
    We couldn't and wouldn't say no to silly money when we are owned by a company that has to consider returns to investors. That would be an 900% profit on our record transfer then so its better than good financial business.

    I am winding my neck in a bit on quality. Neto looks better than originally suggested and that was true of Jonny, Jota , Vinagre and to some extent Raul. Podence could easily join that list.

    However, and its a big if, IF we win the Europa League I think all the big boys stay regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber-_-man View Post

    However, and its a big if, IF we win the Europa League I think all the big boys stay regardless.
    Majority. I think we would still lose a couple (its going to happen at some point).

    At the end of it, if say Liverpool come knocking then it becomes difficult to keep a player, regardless of what we want to do. At this moment in time, every player will want to be part of the Liverpool machine. I think we will be fair and never deny a player a chance to step up but it will come with a side note of the buying club has to offer x amount before we agree though. As we are generally careful about the type of players we sign, we shouldn't get any player threatening strikes or moaning to the press via their agents about it if a move is slow to happen.

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    Fosun aren't in this to make a return by skimming money off transfer fees though...

    They paid £30m(ish) for the club, settled any small residual debt and then they've spent whatever they have on fees, infrastructure and wages. The upshot is that the club is worth a ridiculous amount more right now than it was in 2016. That's their return on investment.
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    Talk of selling Adama for £60m is just madness. He'll be worth that in shirt sales and publicity. As I've written previously, if/when Wolves go to the US Adama will be the story. Could this guy be a running back in the NFL? He'll be all over the TV. Given the progress he's made this season he genuinely has the potential to be a world star. I also think staying with Nuno is the best thing for his career so, as someone said yesterday, new contract, £200m release clause and a gazillion in shirt sales...
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    I think the only way that Adama and Raul move on in the summer is if they start agitating for the move.

    Both of them are worth their weight in platinum for the building of Wolves as a global brand.

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    If they ask to go and there is a bid at the right level (there probably would be for Adama) then Nuno will just allow them to leave. He doesn't want unhappy players here. Of course there are no current signs that either want to leave.

    I don't think anyone will pay what we'd ask for Raul as he's 29 in May. Very few if any clubs these days are prepared to have that kind of bonfire where you spend an astronomical sum on a player who you know will be of negligible transfer value inside three years. Even the likes of City, Real, Bayern etc keep a continual eye on FFP.
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    I think we’ll get a £100m+ bid for Adama and he will go. Podence is probably our first take at a replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    If they ask to go and there is a bid at the right level (there probably would be for Adama) then Nuno will just allow them to leave. He doesn't want unhappy players here. Of course there are no current signs that either want to leave.

    I don't think anyone will pay what we'd ask for Raul as he's 29 in May. Very few if any clubs these days are prepared to have that kind of bonfire where you spend an astronomical sum on a player who you know will be of negligible transfer value inside three years. Even the likes of City, Real, Bayern etc keep a continual eye on FFP.
    Depending on what Man United do in the summer I reckon we could flog them Raul if we got a better replacement in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Deeley View Post
    As I've written previously, if/when Wolves go to the US Adama will be the story. Could this guy be a running back in the NFL? He'll be all over the TV.
    He really won't. The mainstream US Sports news channels pay little attention to Soccer even that played in their own country The novelty of a fast player from a relatively little known club won't touch the surface.

    If we go to the US, it'll be to play in Texas or Southern California and be aimed at the Mexican fan base

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    He really won't. The mainstream US Sports news channels pay little attention to Soccer even that played in their own country The novelty of a fast player from a relatively little known club won't touch the surface.

    If we go to the US, it'll be to play in Texas or Southern California and be aimed at the Mexican fan base
    The plan seems to be play Club America in Texas, so clear what market we are targetting there

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    Yes, I know (to Leeds). That's their football channel talking about it though, not MSM

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    Tbf I’ve been amazed how many people in the US follow premier league and know wolves. Loads of people this week have asked me about who my ‘soccer’ team is and have known wolves.
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    Preventing a player who wants to move from doing so rarely ends well. If we get an offer of £90m plus I think it would make sense to take the money and wish Traore well. Even in the current market that money could be used to street he team with upgrades to perhaps three of the first team.

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    Not convinced about Barcelona...even with the firesale they've had recently they will still probably need to sell before they spend huge money on someone. And their priority has to be getting a replacement in for Suarez, who's probably done there.

    Dunno how he would fit at City either. They'd probably make it work but he seems very antithetical as a 'Pep' player.

    I'm not saying bids won't come in but I have a feeling it might not be the usual names.

    As for incomings, think this season has probably shown pretty well we need to strengthen in a couple places - the WB slots, for one, and probably CB as well (personal preference, I'd prefer Boly + new CB going forwards - can understand if people are happy with Saiss but I don't think he's a long term option)

    Matheson seems a promising one for the future but we've only really Buur as Doc's direct backup. You can make the case for Jonny being his immediate replacement but then really we need someone on the left vs Vinagre who's still developing...not sure he's in position to start regularly atm.

    I'd really like us to sign a long-term CM replacement for Moutinho but I've come around to the thought it probably won't shake out like I think...it'd take a serious amount of money to sign a direct replacement who can play at a high level regularly and I don't think we're going to break the bank like that. Maybe Loiodice will be the one.

    The youngsters we've signed and how they develop are probably going to be a theme for this actually - same goes for Campana. If he progresses the way we want then maybe he will be Raul's backup next year and we can look at strengthening elsewhere.

    Who else from the U23s are ready to step up? Is Sondergaard ready to be Rui's deputy, for one?

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    This leak of a price is standard Fosun MO. They did exactly the same with Neves and publicised that the lowest price to get even round the table was £110m. This figure for Adama is the same tactic - to discourage all suitors unless they are willing to pay astronomical numbers.
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    Do Wolves see Luke Matheson as the upgrade on Doc for next season? Presumably we're not sending him back to Rochdale again, so it's either challenge Doc for a place or go to the Championship on loan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Deeley View Post
    Do Wolves see Luke Matheson as the upgrade on Doc for next season? Presumably we're not sending him back to Rochdale again, so it's either challenge Doc for a place or go to the Championship on loan.
    From Tim's article about the signing, Nuno's going to run the rule over him in the summer and see whether he wants to send him on loan to the Championship or integrate him into the first team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGreenWolf View Post
    From Tim's article about the signing, Nuno's going to run the rule over him in the summer and see whether he wants to send him on loan to the Championship or integrate him into the first team.
    Ah, thanks. I've not read that one: don't subscribe to the Athletic. Luke is 18 in October so I could see a season in the Champo
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    We will see some outgoings.
    Bright, and Jordan Graham will be both out.... Bright probably end of contract it wont be renewed, it may even be cancelled early.
    It will be interesting to see what happens to John Ruddy. Does he want to stay or will he want to play more games?
    I would expect him to leave, and may see another keeper arrive, Sondegard is really good impressed with him in Marbella, but he may just be too young to regularly deputise
    Graham will be out as well.
    Expect to see another Striker, and central midfielder a long term replacement for Moutinho

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    Bright has a year left (players like him, Graham, German Phil etc are a total irrelevance though, they hardly cost anything in the grand scheme of things and haven't played for us for years).

    Ruddy and Kilman are the main two out of contract. The latter is 99% certain to stay you would think. Ruddy, I couldn't say either way. Can't be that brilliant to be sat there in mid-January thinking that you've probably played your final game of the season. Won't be a #1 for a PL team though even if he does move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    Bright has a year left (players like him, Graham, German Phil etc are a total irrelevance though, they hardly cost anything in the grand scheme of things and haven't played for us for years).

    Ruddy and Kilman are the main two out of contract. The latter is 99% certain to stay you would think. Ruddy, I couldn't say either way. Can't be that brilliant to be sat there in mid-January thinking that you've probably played your final game of the season. Won't be a #1 for a PL team though even if he does move.
    I thought Bright was done June, he will be gone possibly contract cancelled, they dont fit in attitude wise.

    Kilman will sign.possibly 3 year deal with year option.

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    Ruddy will be on for a reunion with a relegated Norwich, I'd guess.

    More power to him- a good servant for the club who we've moved past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    The plan seems to be play Club America in Texas, so clear what market we are targetting there
    There are definitely different 'markets' within US football fans. Many fans are getting quite knowledgeable by watching teams from different leagues but usually support Man U or Liverpool. They can know quite a few Wolves players.
    American latinos in TX are not really football fans (I mean not soccer fans), unless they are Mexican Nationals - then it is very different. The Nationals all know Raul and many Spanish/Portuguese players. They usually support Madrid or Barca.
    Mexico played Argentina here a few months ago and the occasion got absolutely zero coverage from the English speaking media, but was shown live on Spanish speaking TV and attracted a decent attendance, many of whom would have travelled from Mexico.
    Spanish speaking tv broadcasts Mexican games every week and also Champions League.
    MLS gets no mention in local media and that is unlikely to change until San Antonio gets its own team (not going to happen). There is a San Antonio team in a lower league - they occasionally advertise on tv otherwise I would not know they exist. They played Cardiff in a pre-season friendly last summer but not a single person I spoke with knew about the game.
    If Man U or Liverpool were to play a game in SA then the media would cover it; if Wolves came only the Spanish speaking media would likely be interested (and would broadcast it live) but the occasion could certainly be used to help grow the sport, Premier League, and Wolves. However if Wolves went to Dallas or Houston it would be different since these are MLS cities and would attract a much larger crowd.

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    If Ruddy goes & he probably should at his age if he wants playing time before he needs to retire then would expect us to bring someone in.

    Some potential below that, but of no age or experience
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