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Thread: Wolves 0-0 Leicester: VAR Rinse & Repeat Verdict

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    We are becoming a "nearly" team.

    Scoring goals when we're on top has been main issue for the last 2 seasons - given the talent of the team we should easily account for Norwich next week, but I doubt we will (2-1 or even a draw would be my bet).

    Unless this gets addressed we will have blown a massive chance to break-through to the top 6, albeit with Man City now being handicapped.

    As for Jota he is a shadow of the player he was - bar a couple of games this season. He simply should not be starting now we have other options (and in better form).

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    Yet again unable to take advantage of our chances, and if Raul isn't playing well (and he wasn't, he missed several great chances) we aren't scoring.

    annoying that our defense is where most of the forward pushing passes come from. not sure how you can call podence poor, and especially not sure how you can say he was a downgrade from jota, who you'd be forgiven for forgetting has even played most of the season.

    so nice to have boly back. saiss was great, and hasn't even gotten a yellow in a while! neto needs to be starting with traore, and agreed that his corner delivery was great today.

    a lot of sloppy passing at times, not sure why we have trouble holding onto the ball during long periods, especially given how conservatively we play.

    var aside, should have won. didn't. again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlovatt View Post
    Really? In open play 2v1 you see backward passes from "offside" positions (I.e. through on goal) all the time. They aren't offside, why was this?
    Because he was ahead of the player passing the ball, not behind him.
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    draws like this are all the more disappointing with the potential city ban, leaving 5th open for a champions spot. at least it (should hopefully) help us stay in europe, but we had a real shot to cement ourselves several higher places up the table.
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    Most of the team played ok even Raul despite his misses. Saiss or Boly MOTM for me. Neto was decent and Jota the opposite of decent. His form for most of the season hasn't been good.
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    2nd clean sheet for Boly. Good stuff. Thought Neves was very good, as was Jonny mostly, although he did have a scare. We kept a very dangerous team pretty quiet, so fair do's.

    Raul had a weirdly mixed night of great touches, what looked like bad finishing (would have to watch the replay to know how bad they actually were) and very weird almost brainfart decisons - please don't try to throw it back to Rui from the halfway line!

    Jota shouldn't be starting over Neto. He looked sharper than he has but he's trying way too hard to make something happen and his decision making is suffering because of it.

    Think if we'd had Moutinho and Traore from the start probably would've won.

    I honestly forgot about VAR and celebrated us scoring a goal. Silly me.

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    I thought we played really well. Since the first half at Southampton (where we weren’t as bad as made out anyway) we’ve produced some really good performance In the league.

    He’s been outstanding for months now but Neves is getting better and better as the season goes on. Saiss was excellent and that was Doc’s best game in a while - he looked better for the break.

    Not Raul’s night in front of goal but that happens. We were robbed anyway - that was a fantastically worked set piece too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear View Post
    Because he was ahead of the player passing the ball, not behind him.


    Quote Originally Posted by MARKakaJIM View Post
    Vast majority of the time the player receiving the pass is behind the ball, that's onside, Neto wasn't.


    Fair enough, I havent watched enough replays but thought Neto had actually got back behind the ball by the time when Jota kicked it initially - although had come from in front of the ball yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinky View Post
    Heard this a million times and itís boring. Everyone knows the rule needs adjusting so just get on and do it. Why persist with something that clearly doesnít work until the season has finished?
    Because you can't change the rules mid season and not expect legal challenges

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    The game is ruined. And ourselves and Sheffield United are the biggest losers from VAR.

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    It's not the refs fault, it's not even the guys drawing lines on a computer screens fault. It's the fact no ones thought VAR through properly

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    It was so clearly an offside that the linesman right by them had his flag raised immediately!... Oh hang on.
    Come the fuck on, anyone scores that goal and no opposing fan would watch that back thinking an injustice had been done.
    VAR wasnt fucking bought in for decisions like this.
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    Totally correct - I am losing interest in football after over 50 years of following Wolves.

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    We're literally the only country that implements VAR like this. Instead of looking at Spain, Italy, Germany etc where they've had it already and worked out a lot of the kinks, PGMOL decided they knew better than everyone else and would implement it their own way. And they've made a massive fuckup in the process. They are to blame here, as usual.

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    Got nothing more to say about VAR, but if this in place next season one of the 10k will be getting a season ticket. People sat in the second half with their arms folded disengaged from the game. So many have just had enough.

    That said we aren't anywhere near clinical enough. We create on average around 4/5 clear cut chances per game. So when we do we need to take them, we don't game after game. Tonight Raul was the villain.

    I thought we defended the best we have all season. Although Leicester didn't create a lot, some of our blocks were very good. Rui doesn't tend to get motm because we don't concede lots of chances, but what credit he does deserve is his handling. He never spills shots from outside the box

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    By absolute letter of the law and by the book the decision was right. But it’s just such a robotic way of looking at things. The stadium experience of these situations is just vile.
    I always knew goals that looked suspicious could be overturned.
    But now goals that look in real time to have nothing wrong with them get chalked off with the most minimal of explanation in the ground.

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    Just read the match thread. Mike Dean had a decent game, to suggest he didn't or should be looking at a screen for an 'offside' is bollocks. Refs can now look at a screen to reconsider a decision HE has made, thus far it's only been red cards, but could also apply to penalties. He didn't call / not call the offside so the screen isn't an option

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    Most of what I have to say about the game is, again, VAR related and I am fucking sick of it. If Leicester or Liverpool or Manchester United had scored that goal no way would it have been ruled out.

    Not one Leicester player was questioning it as they prepared to kick off. The adverse reaction at half time was beyond anything seen previously with VAR.

    Aside from that shit, an enjoyable game and we played well. Rock solid in defence but not clinical enough in attack. Neves was my MOTM and Neto was very good again. Jota was frustratingly poor, on current form Neto should be in his place and Traore on the right.

    The main tests for Rui came from his own players who seemed to be deliberately trying to test him, most notably Doc (I think) lobbing the ball back to Coady from the right flank and the spectacular throw in from near the half way line with Vardy (I think) bearing down which Rui had to head out.

    And as for Maddison accusing Traore of going down easily after his try for a penalty...

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    Fuck off letter of the law, the offside rule was invented to prevent opposition poachers parking themselves in the box. Pretty sure there were no cameras drawing arbitrary lines tracking millimeters on a computer screen back then. Absolute shambles, they fucked up the world cup with all the corruption and now theyve fucked up the premier league.

    Whats the point of watching? They can find a technicallity and discredit every single one of our goals, and just say "oh too far back to check" when it a handball on the pass of the goal against us

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    Horrible decision, no matter how technically right it is.

    The law was not written with the intention of punishing a player who, having taken a corner, is now moving back onside from an offside position to recieve a ball played backwards to him that he will receive in an onside position.

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    We can bemoan VAR but Jimenez has been criminally wasteful tonight. To not even draw a save or get them on target is unreal profligacy.

    Think we defended supremely. BBC reporting after an hour Vardy had, had 7 touches.

    Saiss was unbelievable. He's becoming increasingly indispensable. Dendoncker covered lots of ground but a few times he was caught napping too.

    Diogo is like Diogo pre-Chelsea last season. He needs one sticking on a plate for him and I think he'll kick on and finish the season strong.

    Special mention for Neves today, I thought it was a very mature performance from him given he didn't have Jo„o alongside him. Properly stood out and covered ground and the Leicester midfield didn't really stand out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupo View Post
    Most of what I have to say about the game is, again, VAR related and I am fucking sick of it. If Leicester or Liverpool or Manchester United had scored that goal no way would it have been ruled out.

    Not one Leicester player was questioning it as they prepared to kick off. The adverse reaction at half time was beyond anything seen previously with VAR.
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    That's just simply not true. The Liverpool goal at Villa for example.

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    xG was 1.12 Vs 0.53

    Not that overwhelming in terms of chances. Raul was 0.7

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    Wolves 0-0 Leicester: VAR Rinse &amp; Repeat Verdict

    Another missed opportunity, coulda woulda shoulda. Too negative and too passive. In isolation we should have won the game and could have won it, but file it with all the other games exactly the same.

    I didnít sit their at the game and at any point think we were turning the screw or banging on the door. At one stage when they were down to 10 men we were still dropping into shape in our own third. Should have pressed them and forced the long ball and squeezed the pitch. They werenít going to win the first ball and odds are in our favour to win the second.

    Until we start taking the handbrake off more often we are going to draw games we should win and lose games from giving away soft goals (despite being pragmatic) and not taking it to teams.

    Another opportunity missed. Weíre no worse a team than Leicester, yet theyíve got a 14 point lead and a far superior GD with guaranteed CL next year. Iím going to really disappointed if with this opportunity we miss out on Europe altogether
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuntsWolf View Post
    Another missed opportunity, coulda woulda shoulda. Too negative and too passive. In isolation we should have won the game and could have won it, but file it with all the other games exactly the same.

    I didn’t sit their at the game and at any point think we were turning the screw or banging on the door. At one stage when they were down to 10 men we were still dropping into shape in our own third. Should have pressed them and forced the long ball and squeezed the pitch. They weren’t going to win the first ball and odds are in our favour to win the second.

    Until we start taking the handbrake off more often we are going to draw games we should win and lose games from giving away soft goals (despite being pragmatic) and not taking it to teams.

    Another opportunity missed. We’re no worse a team than Leicester, yet they’ve got a 14 point lead and a far superior GD with guaranteed CL next year. I’m going to really disappointed if with this opportunity we miss out on Europe altogether
    Well said - I couldn't agree more !

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuntsWolf View Post

    I didnít sit their at the game and at any point think we were turning the screw or banging on the door. At one stage when they were down to 10 men we were still dropping into shape in our own third. Should have pressed them and forced the long ball and squeezed the pitch. They werenít going to win the first ball and odds are in our favour to win the second.
    That's as valid as saying I wish we played like late 80's Wimbledon. We don't and aren't ever going to. We don't go for the throats of the opposition and haven't really at any time under Nuno, including in the Championship, our build up outside of the counter has always and will continue to be measured. It's pointless to wish for something else, irrespective of whether it would be the correct thing. The issue is we have under this style is we create chances but, we are wasteful. That and sloppy goals conceded are the reason we are behind Leicester as outside of that they aren't superior to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    That's as valid as saying I wish we played like late 80's Wimbledon. We don't and aren't ever going to. We don't go for the throats of the opposition and haven't really at any time under Nuno, including in the Championship, our build up outside of the counter has always and will continue to be measured. It's pointless to wish for something else, irrespective of whether it would be the correct thing. The issue is we have under this style is we create chances but, we are wasteful. That and sloppy goals conceded are the reason we are behind Leicester as outside of that they aren't superior to us.
    True, but that's why we will be the "nearly" team.

    The way we play is only going to get us so far and will not get us into the top 4/6.

    Yes we might be the equal or competing with the likes of Leicester but at least they have a gear where they can put teams to the sword. Because we don't we will continue to drop points either in games we should win or against teams we should beat. Albeit it does allow us to be a bloody difficult team to beat especially by the top 4/6 clubs.

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    Thought we deserved three points. Tough on the boys. Liverpool stand out a mile. City can do better but the rest are much of a muchness. Put those points on the board that we were cheated out of and we are more than competing for top four. Still fancy us for the Europa Cup.

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    THis - what Punts said. Leicester have scored 54, we have scored 35. OK, 9 of those were against Soton, but even if we knock 7 of those off, they've still scored a third more goals than us. It is a simple maths fact in the Premier League that if you win half your games and lose half you qualify for Europe. If you draw every game you go down, or very close to it. As I said on the match thread, the next two games are not just must-win, they are must-win-well
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