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    Quote Originally Posted by tredman View Post
    What are your thoughts Paul? You always do a lot of reacting, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard what you believe people should do. Stick yourself out there - let’s hear your thoughts.
    Thoughts on what ? Starmer, Coronavirus ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Thoughts on what ? Starmer, Coronavirus ??
    This is the Starmer thread.. What would you like to happen? Continuation of the current government, same party different plans? Or Labour under Starmer?
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    Like I eluded to before he is probably the best option to overhaul the Labour party (unless you're a hardcore socialist) and if he follows through with eradicating the bad apples it would certainly be a party worth considering and a worthy opposition, my problem is I believe my allegencies lie half way between the two parties, I like both parties and I dislike both parties in equal measure, my issue with the Labour contingent on here is there is no fairness, their posts alternate between hate and loathing, the two left wing(for use of a better term) posters I have the most respect for on here is Paddy and TSB. both in recent times have highlighted errors in government but have the fairness to admit when something is done right, there are posters on here that would find fault regardless just to promote their agenda, and that is a worrying trait in followers of what I believe to be the party with the more palatable morale values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Like I eluded to before he is probably the best option to overhaul the Labour party (unless you're a hardcore socialist) and if he follows through with eradicating the bad apples it would certainly be a party worth considering and a worthy opposition, my problem is I believe my allegencies lie half way between the two parties, I like both parties and I dislike both parties in equal measure, my issue with the Labour contingent on here is there is no fairness, their posts alternate between hate and loathing, the two left wing(for use of a better term) posters I have the most respect for on here is Paddy and TSB. both in recent times have highlighted errors in government but have the fairness to admit when something is done right, there are posters on here that would find fault regardless just to promote their agenda, and that is a worrying trait in followers of what I believe to be the party with the more palatable morale values.

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    Sure, it’s good to be constructive.

    Interested that you consider Paddy left wing, he seems to have become more left than before, but I’m not sure he would agree.
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    I'm confused as to what's different about the "offer" from Johnson today... afaik the opposition parties have already been consulted on the crisis, and taken part in similar meetings? It doesn't look like an offer of something more substantive than that?

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    Me left wing? Really????

    That's quietly amusing.
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    Paddy "left wing"

    Self confessed Tory who actually has the honesty to realise that they have screwed the NHS for 10 years, fucked up with austerity and has the balls to call them out on it.
    Paul, you're funny. You are clearly a right leaning, Conservative leaning "voter", it is clear by the way you always jump to the defence of the government no matter what fuck ups they make, and throw the "what about" accusation around. You're much better when you debate properly though.
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    I would think JC may have been PM now if it wasn't for Brexit - purely because the Cons were so attrocious. What exactly is the difference between JC politics and what Starmer will advocate or is Starmer just a desperate extension of Blairism when what the people truly want/ed was a new radical approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papper View Post
    I would think JC may have been PM now if it wasn't for Brexit - purely because the Cons were so attrocious. What exactly is the difference between JC politics and what Starmer will advocate or is Starmer just a desperate extension of Blairism when what the people truly want/ed was a new radical approach.
    Starmer cant be accused of being a "terrorist sympathiser " and doesn't look like a skinny, out of work Santa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papper View Post
    I would think JC may have been PM now if it wasn't for Brexit - purely because the Cons were so attrocious. What exactly is the difference between JC politics and what Starmer will advocate or is Starmer just a desperate extension of Blairism when what the people truly want/ed was a new radical approach.
    All of this is wrong. As it was posted by Papper on a politics thread this isn't a shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    All of this is wrong. As it was posted by Papper on a politics thread this isn't a shock.
    Don't get a superiority complex on me again.

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    I guess I'm doing Starmer a disservice with my comment above.
    The difference will be that he will get more respect from his opponents because he will be able to debate properly and Express himself. He is a little more left than Blair but is able to articulate. His biggest challenge is party unity when he starts to root out the antisemitism. He needs to remove them and anyone who thinks that defending them is okay
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    Why not. It's free.

    Okay - let's look at a couple of nuts and bolts there:

    I would think JC may have been PM now if it wasn't for Brexit

    This is wrong on so many levels that the only people that seem to believe it are you and Corbyn himself. The fool still referred to it as the Brexit election this week. it wasn't. It's idiocy to believe that the labour heartlands fucked off over Brexit. They fucked off because his manifesto was lunacy.

    "What exactly is the difference between JC politics and what Starmer will advocate or is Starmer just a desperate extension of Blairism when what the people truly want/ed was a new radical approach".

    I love this. It's spectacular. You do know there are clear differences between Corbyn and Blair and a whole lot of space inbetween where Starmer is going to be? No you didn't. Because you haven't got a clue. Impossible to debate with because you just type fucking nonsense like that above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darlowolf64 View Post
    Starmer cant be accused of being a "terrorist sympathiser " and doesn't look like a skinny, out of work Santa.
    I quite get that but many would see JC's ability to dialogue with these 'enemies' as quite a productive way of bringing about peace. It's the ' Is Mandela a terrorist or freedom fighter ? ' argument all over again. The Labour Party was no more prejudiced than the Cons but it seemed to take over the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papper View Post
    I quite get that but many would see JC's ability to dialogue with these 'enemies' as quite a productive way of bringing about peace. It's the ' Is Mandela a terrorist or freedom fighter ? ' argument all over again. The Labour Party was no more prejudiced than the Cons but it seemed to take over the media.
    Right wing press giving a pass to a right wing party... so many of the written press have decided that left is bad and will stop at nothing to throw mud hoping something sticks.
    It is disgusting that there are people in the Labour Party who think antisemitism isn't a problem and the press are happy to attack the inaction or light slap on the wrist that seems to be meated out (and quite rightly too) but they give the Conservatives a free pass on Islamaphobia which is equally disgusting
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    Quote Originally Posted by darlowolf64 View Post
    Right wing press giving a pass to a right wing party... so many of the written press have decided that left is bad and will stop at nothing to throw mud hoping something sticks.
    It is disgusting that there are people in the Labour Party who think antisemitism isn't a problem and the press are happy to attack the inaction or light slap on the wrist that seems to be meated out (and quite rightly too) but they give the Conservatives a free pass on Islamaphobia which is equally disgusting
    I believe prejudice to be ingrained in society and it comes in many forms and in many walks of life. I wish society had a better understanding of humanity, how to bring about peace and were not so easily influenced by the mainstream media. JC was a fire-cracker, he was anti-establishment and I think people will continue to see radical alternatives in what is a fast disintegrating society where levels of hate seem to be far more prevelant than ever before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    This is wrong on so many levels that the only people that seem to believe it are you and Corbyn himself. The fool still referred to it as the Brexit election this week. it wasn't. It's idiocy to believe that the labour heartlands fucked off over Brexit. They fucked off because his manifesto was lunacy.
    So why did traditional Labour socialist heartlands vote for the Blues? The manifesto was anti-austerity. I didn't agree with much of it but it would have been the biggest redistribution of wealth we've seen in recent years.

    "Labour strategists are particularly concerned about the party’s appeal among its traditional supporters in Brexit-voting areas, who may be susceptible to Johnson’s signature pledge."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-focus-groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    I love this. It's spectacular. You do know there are clear differences between Corbyn and Blair and a whole lot of space inbetween where Starmer is going to be? No you didn't. Because you haven't got a clue. Impossible to debate with because you just type fucking nonsense like that above.
    It was an open question (not a statement on my part) that you have failed to answer. You have instead gone off on a hissy fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darlowolf64 View Post
    Paddy "left wing"

    Self confessed Tory who actually has the honesty to realise that they have screwed the NHS for 10 years, fucked up with austerity and has the balls to call them out on it.
    Paul, you're funny. You are clearly a right leaning, Conservative leaning "voter", it is clear by the way you always jump to the defence of the government no matter what fuck ups they make, and throw the "what about" accusation around. You're much better when you debate properly though.
    I didn't mean he was a Trotskyite, that came across wrong I meant he was more fair than your average labour voter, I meant no disrespect to label him 'left'.
    I honestly believe the country needs a balance, you need a moral value of Labour but you also need a capitalist values of the Tories.
    And we're not defending the Tories just consider I'm providing balance, as you are well aware this is a labour dominated site and if the Tories deserve calling out then so be it, but you read things on here that are part of a larger agenda and undeservedly so, You cannot expect to type 'The bastards are trying to kill us' and not expect to get called out on it, As I've said before he current situation (Coronavirus) is not a political whipping tool and should be judged in accordance with other countries, if we are comparable then obviously they weren't aiming to kill us all ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darlowolf64 View Post
    Starmer cant be accused of being a "terrorist sympathiser " .
    Is that really detrimental on your route to power ? whoever has been in government has had dealings with less than acceptable people. Pinochet, Gadaffi, the whole of Saudi Arabia ! etc. etc.
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    It's OK if you were trying to sell them arms or work for them directly. It's not OK if you're trying to engage with them to stop further conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddingtonwolf View Post
    Why not. It's free.

    Okay - let's look at a couple of nuts and bolts there:

    I would think JC may have been PM now if it wasn't for Brexit

    This is wrong on so many levels that the only people that seem to believe it are you and Corbyn himself. The fool still referred to it as the Brexit election this week. it wasn't. It's idiocy to believe that the labour heartlands fucked off over Brexit.
    People on the doorstep cited Brexit and distrust of Corbyn as the main reasons for not voting Labour. He was too Remain to catch Leavers and too Leave to hoover up Lib Dems. They also thought he was a terrorist/communist/racist/thick/scruffy/paedo/satan etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    I didn't mean he was a Trotskyite, that came across wrong I meant he was more fair than your average labour voter, I meant no disrespect to label him 'left'.
    I honestly believe the country needs a balance, you need a moral value of Labour but you also need a capitalist values of the Tories.
    And we're not defending the Tories just consider I'm providing balance, as you are well aware this is a labour dominated site and if the Tories deserve calling out then so be it, but you read things on here that are part of a larger agenda and undeservedly so, You cannot expect to type 'The bastards are trying to kill us' and not expect to get called out on it, As I've said before he current situation (Coronavirus) is not a political whipping tool and should be judged in accordance with other countries, if we are comparable then obviously they weren't aiming to kill us all ?
    This is where I am too Paul. Starter came out fighting this morning by calling the government out on mistakes being made. Hancock has already admitted that in a presser last eeek.

    New's the opportunity for both parties to get this right. I'd have liked to see Starmer call for a government of National Unity this morning rather than snipe at the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny75 View Post
    This is where I am too Paul. Starter came out fighting this morning by calling the government out on mistakes being made. Hancock has already admitted that in a presser last eeek.

    New's the opportunity for both parties to get this right. I'd have liked to see Starmer call for a government of National Unity this morning rather than snipe at the government.
    Where was that Johnny? Thought his interview wasn’t until later?
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    On the BBC website.
    Nothing to see here...... can't offend sensitive souls.

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    let me make this clear...I am Apolitical, i think there may be benefits in both left and right but believe nearly all politicians are self serving wankers!

    However, i think that if Starmer can route out the many mini parties and alternate views so strong within the labour party, he may well have a lot to bring to the table.
    Corbyn for me was just wrong in so many ways, and lacked the strength to deal with the antisemetists and hippy left within his party, and was as much use as a one legged man at an arse kicking party re brexit.
    Britain needs two strong parties not one racehorse and a donkey and i sincerely hop Starmer can at least achieve that position for labour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny75 View Post
    On the BBC website.
    Where? Link it rather than making insinuations.

    This is his article in the Times today. All rather reasonable isn’t it?
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    Wind your neck in and go on the BBC website. It's in front of you.
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    The relevant part as the above is quite difficult to read
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny75 View Post
    Wind your neck in and go on the BBC website. It's in front of you.
    How about providing substance rather than jumping to attack. From a search on the BBC. Pick one and I will paste for you:
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    Came across well and reasonable on Marr:
    Labour’s newly-elected leader, Keir Starmer, told Andrew Marr that his party would ask the government “difficult questions” amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    “I think this would be difficult for any government. I do think there have been mistakes along the way”, he said.

    Starmer said he did not think it was worth “picking over” the herd immunity approach that the government disputes ever considering.

    But, he added: “we were then slow in testing, the equipment that’s needed on the frontline isn’t there.”

    “But I want to be very, very clear that I’m going to engage constructively with the government.

    “I spoke to the prime minister yesterday and said to him that I mean what I say about constructive engagement.

    “We’ve all got a duty here to save lives and protect our country and the Labour party under my leadership will ask difficult questions but only for the purpose of pointing out mistakes so they can be put right.”
    If Boris is as ill as the Times seems to be insinuating this morning we may be into government of national unity territory very soon.
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