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    Defo one in Saunders' first (horrible) game vs Blackburn, that might be it. He was a nightmare though, he didn't know what he was doing. He could have caused a load of other stuff indirectly just from the panic he brought to the party. Get away from here man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant Pyjamas View Post
    How many did he give away?
    Actual numbers were low and certainly in the "Murray's kicking will cost us" and "Berra needs to stop wrestling the defenders in the penalty area" zone but there was a spell where you would nervously look at the ref. We found a way to keep him away from our own penalty so the issue died

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    It's in the original video but this one:



    I was sat right behind Kenny for this one. Paul Robinson in nets with his thunder thighs. I said "if this is on target it's going in, 100%". Dined out on that for the evening.
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    Not as good as Boukari.
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    "I hope to win all the games."

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    29. Karl Henry

    Karl Levi Daniel Henry (born 26 November 1982) is an English former professional footballer who played as a midfielder.

    Henry was a product of the Stoke City academy who went on to make over 120 appearances for the club, also spending time on loan at Cheltenham Town in 2004. He joined his hometown club Wolverhampton Wanderers in 2006, and went on to become captain of the side in the Premier League. Henry spent seven seasons at Wolves, making 272 appearances in all competitions.

    He joined Queens Park Rangers in the summer of 2013 and helped them to victory in the 2014 Championship play-off Final. In 2017, after four years with QPR, he was released from the club upon the expiry of his contract; he later played for Bolton Wanderers and Bradford City before retiring in 2019.

    Henry joined his hometown club on a three-year contract in August 2006 a week before the start of the 2006–07 season. He made his Wolverhampton Wanderers debut and his first start for his new club against Plymouth Argyle on the opening day of the season.

    He was appointed captain for the first time in December 2006 as Jody Craddock was out injured. Henry's first season for Wolves came to an end when he suffered a serious injury in the game against Luton Town on 3 March 2007. Henry bruised his spleen and was forced to sit out the remainder of the 2006–07 season, which saw him miss out on the Championship play-offs. He made a total of 34 appearances in his first season for Wolves, scoring three goals.

    In the 2007–08 season, Henry again impressed for Wolves after holding down his position in the centre of midfield. He went on to make a total of 42 appearances for Wolves, scoring three goals again. These goals came against Preston North End and two against Charlton Athletic, both home and away. Henry also picked up an injury against Charlton on 29 March 2008, which saw him miss the last six games of the season.

    The 2008–09 season saw Henry impress again for Wolves and he was also handed the captain's armband for the majority of the season as Jody Craddock was out injured. He was an integral part of the team which made an impressive start to the season as Wolves were at the top of the table for numerous months with Henry captaining them. He was in the starting 11 against Queens Park Rangers in which Wolves went on to win the game which resulted in them gaining promotion to the Premier League. On 3 May 2009, Henry and Craddock both lifted the Championship trophy at Molineux on the final day of the season after their 1–0 over Doncaster Rovers.

    Henry was an ever-present captain in the Wolves team in the 2009–10 season, his Premier League debut came against West Ham United on the opening day. He went on to make 34 appearances for Wolves during 2009–10, missing only four games, as Wolves stayed up at the end of their first season in the Premier League.

    During the 2010–11 season, Henry made 31 Premier League appearances as captain. On the last day of the season, on 22 May 2011, Wolverhampton Wanderers stayed in the Premier League after finishing 17th.

    A start of the new season, new signing Roger Johnson replaced Henry as club captain. Henry started Wolves' first three games in the 2011–12 season, including the 0–0 draw away at local rivals Aston Villa. Before the match between QPR and Wolves, Henry threw down the gauntlet on Joey Barton as they prepared to go head-to-head at Molineux. The two (both Joey Barton and Karl Henry) were involved in a physical confrontation in August 2010 when Barton was still at Newcastle. The confrontation occurred after Henry made a number of strong tackles on Barton. During the match between QPR and Wolves, which QPR won 3–0, Henry continued his strong challenges on Barton, who hit back by making claims that Henry 'tries to hurt people'. Henry says Barton was 'embarrassing' after recent comments. Henry was taunted by a section of the Molineux crowd after being substituted, when Wolves were defeated by Newcastle United by a score of 1–2. He was defended by Wolves captain at the time, Roger Johnson.

    With the arrival of Kenny Jackett as manager, Henry was transfer listed, despite his contract still having three more years to run.

    Henry signed for Championship side Queens Park Rangers on 23 July 2013 for an undisclosed fee.

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    He's ruined any affection I had left for him (wasn't much after the last two seasons he played in) with his politics

    But at the time, I was a fan of his even if he did have limitations. Interesting listening to the OldGold podcast, all the players seemed to be of the opinion that he had the ability but wasn't allowed/chose not to express himself more on the pitch.

    Also when he got media attention as a 'hard man' he seemed to buy into it a bit too much I felt, which was a shame as he was more than that.

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    I've mentioned it a billion times before but I played with him when we were kids. He was Ashmore, I was Coppice Farm/Vention. You would never have picked him out as a pro. I probably looked like a better player but I found cigarettes, alcohol and girls more interesting than running around a park.

    He was exactly what we needed when we signed him. He was on trial when we played Villa in a friendly, sat with Kenny and we agreed that he should sign the next day if we could get him.

    Definitely played up to the hard man shtick far too much. Karl, you're not hard, you're being a prick.

    A total cock of a man now, totally forgotten his roots and I've grown to hate him. Remember where you came from, knobhead.

    That said, was a damn good player for us for a while. Understated but vital.
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    Oh and he was defo behind undermining Solbakken and said after we played Blackburn under Saunders that it was "proper football".

    Stick your "proper football" pal, that was fucking rubbish.
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    On top of what’s been said, it sounds like he was the ring leader to get Stale sacked and there was a few similar sort of instances. Apparently in the huddle told the players to forget the tactics and play our own way. So then you’ve probably got 3 sets of players pulling in different directions, manager doesn’t have a chance.

    Imagine now, Moutinho going “sod this soaking pressure, I’m pushing up and playing on the front foot”. The tactical shape is ruined, holes everywhere and we concede goals.

    The reason why MM took the captaincy off him was for similar reasons too.
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    in 09-10, the way he stepped up to the PL was exceptional imo. He adapted his game to how Mick wanted to play so well, and he was so consistent, yet never got much praise. He was pretty essential for us at that time. He'd looked good, but not exceptional in the championship, but very tidy. The only player I was confident would be able to make the step up was SEB. Everyone else I had doubts about. Henry proved me completely wrong.

    It all went downhill after we were relegated, and I have avoided his politics since. However, for a period of time he was essential to us, and was a very good captain too.
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    His passing range in the Prem was far better than he was able to express, watch the Championship winning season review and you can see him involved in many goals often assisting the assistor, clearly told to keep it VERY simple in the Prem.

    As DW said exactly what we needed at the time.

    His goal at Charlton was brilliant, and his tackle at OT that made Mick go mental.

    The hard man thing was bollocks too, how many times was he sent off for us? 4? In 250+ games? A lot of that was borne out of his tackle on Zamora which was unlucky rather than intentional.

    Will always remember him fondly, felt he got far too much stick and disproves the myth that local/youth lads get looked after by Wolves fans - Naylor, Batth, Andrews, Robinson, Henry all in my opinion treated badly by the fans at some points in their Wolves careers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonjelly View Post
    in 09-10, the way he stepped up to the PL was exceptional imo. He adapted his game to how Mick wanted to play so well, and he was so consistent, yet never got much praise. He was pretty essential for us at that time. He'd looked good, but not exceptional in the championship, but very tidy. The only player I was confident would be able to make the step up was SEB. Everyone else I had doubts about. Henry proved me completely wrong.

    It all went downhill after we were relegated, and I have avoided his politics since. However, for a period of time he was essential to us, and was a very good captain too.
    He got in a 30 man England squad around that point i think too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant Pyjamas View Post
    Will always remember him fondly, felt he got far too much stick and disproves the myth that local/youth lads get looked after by Wolves fans - Naylor, Batth, Andrews, Robinson, Henry all in my opinion treated badly by the fans at some points in their Wolves careers.
    Aye, we absolutely do not look after our own, that's nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuntsWolf View Post
    On top of what’s been said, it sounds like he was the ring leader to get Stale sacked and there was a few similar sort of instances. Apparently in the huddle told the players to forget the tactics and play our own way.
    That was after we'd gone 2 months without a win and they won that game 4-1. Stale's arrogance and inability to work with the squad he had and transition over time to his way of playing was what got him sacked, nothing else. Epic fail on the man management level.

    Spending your largest amount on a player who doesn't like playing football wasn't the sharpest move either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    That was after we'd gone 2 months without a win and they won that game 4-1. Stale's arrogance and inability to work with the squad he had and transition over time to his way of playing was what got him sacked, nothing else. Epic fail on the man management level.

    Spending your largest amount on a player who doesn't like playing football wasn't the sharpest move either
    Wondered if you meant Doumbia or Boukari then, but the same could be said for both!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant Pyjamas View Post
    Wondered if you meant Doumbia or Boukari then, but the same could be said for both!
    Sigurdsson actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    That was after we'd gone 2 months without a win and they won that game 4-1. Stale's arrogance and inability to work with the squad he had and transition over time to his way of playing was what got him sacked, nothing else. Epic fail on the man management level.

    Spending your largest amount on a player who doesn't like playing football wasn't the sharpest move either
    From the old gold podcasts though a lot of players from that McCarthy era such as Henry, Kightly, Edwards and more allude to not liking Stales ideas from the beginning. They said they didn't think the way he wanted to play would work in the Championship. If that was their attitude and chat got round the dressing room, he probably didn't stand much chance as some of the old guard just didn't buy in from the get go.

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    Ah, Siggy. We'll have him in here soon enough.

    The "pashun" notion really annoys me but Henry did actually care (he's not a Wolves fan though). We needed that. We'd had a season where pretty much only Miller cared. So he helped engender a spirit which enabled us to massively overperform in 06/07.

    I'm not having this shite about him being a brilliant finisher in training though, must be some kind of in-joke. Like fuck he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    Sigurdsson actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deano View Post
    From the old gold podcasts though a lot of players from that McCarthy era such as Henry, Kightly, Edwards and more allude to not liking Stales ideas from the beginning. They said they didn't think the way he wanted to play would work in the Championship. If that was their attitude and chat got round the dressing room, he probably didn't stand much chance as some of the old guard just didn't buy in from the get go.
    That's where his man management was a failure though. He knew what he had to work with and knew he couldn't replace all those players in one window. He needed to find a style that married where he'd like it to be eventually with the players he had. He failed to manage that evolution. Those podcast interviews also say he came in telling them he's not interested in watching past games, this is what it's going to be like now. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    That's where his man management was a failure though. He knew what he had to work with and knew he couldn't replace all those players in one window. He needed to find a style that married where he'd like it to be eventually with the players he had. He failed to manage that evolution. Those podcast interviews also say he came in telling them he's not interested in watching past games, this is what it's going to be like now. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds.
    I agree, he had to go when he did for me, a long term project is fine but not at the complete detriment to the short term results. He had enough funds afforded to him to have been doing much better too, It just made me have a bit more sympathy than I maybe had at the time.

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    We also had stuff at board level under Stale that didn't help, such as Jez signing Pennant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    That was after we'd gone 2 months without a win and they won that game 4-1. Stale's arrogance and inability to work with the squad he had and transition over time to his way of playing was what got him sacked, nothing else. Epic fail on the man management level.

    Spending your largest amount on a player who doesn't like playing football wasn't the sharpest move either
    Well yes, Stale didn’t cover himself with glory on various levels, but if the team weren’t willing to give him a chance then he had no hope. The fact that MM felt he had to remove the captaincy from him is more the point. He was clearly a massive disrupting influence (more so than Rog and JOH apparently), and this played a big part in the double relegation. I mean, we actually got worse after Ståle left
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    I'm not sure that MM made that decision because of KH, i thought he made it more because of Johnson.

    It was probably Mick's most crucial bad decision.

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    Henry lost the captaincy because MM felt he'd gone from being a bridge between the players and the manager to being more of a shop steward character arguing with him on behalf of the players. He would have lost it irrespective of signing Jonhson as per MM

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    Yeah and Johnson says he didn’t want it
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    If Johnson were chocolate he'd eat himself. Fuck that guy. I don't believe a word he says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    Henry lost the captaincy because MM felt he'd gone from being a bridge between the players and the manager to being more of a shop steward character arguing with him on behalf of the players. He would have lost it irrespective of signing Jonhson as per MM
    I haven't heard that from Mick? Was that on a recent podcast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuntsWolf View Post
    Yeah and Johnson says he didn’t want it
    I don't believe a word that prick says.

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    If Johnson were chocolate he'd eat himself. Fuck that guy. I don't believe a word he says.
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