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    Just how good were/was/is/are (Wolves Edition)

    Same as the other two threads. If you know, you know.

    To kick off, I'm going to let the oldies play.

    1. Dave Wagstaffe

    David Wagstaffe (5 April 1943 – 6 August 2013) was an English professional footballer who played as a left winger.

    Born in Openshaw, Manchester, Wagstaffe played in England and the United States for Manchester City, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Los Angeles Wolves, Blackburn Rovers and Blackpool.

    Having signed for Wolves on Boxing Day in 1964, Wagstaffe went on to play 404 league and cup games for the club, placing him in the top 15 all-time appearance makers for Wolves. Although not a prolific goal scorer, he won Match of the Day's goal of the month in 1971 for a 35-yard shot as Wolves went on to beat Arsenal 5–1, as well as scoring in the second leg of the UEFA Cup Final against Tottenham Hotspur the same year.

    Wagstaffe featured in the Wolves side that were competing in the United States of America in the inaugural United Soccer Association league as Los Angeles Wolves in 1967. The LA Wolves went on to win the Western Division, finally beating the Washington Whips (represented by Aberdeen) in the final. During his time in the United States, Wagstaffe was visited by boyhood friend Davy Jones, lead singer of The Monkees who he had played street football with as a boy. Jack Kent Cooke, a cable television entrepreneur and owner of the Los Angeles Lakers basketball team who had bought the LA Wolves franchise for $250,000, asked Wagstaffe to move to the United States and join his potential business as potential face of American soccer, but after returning to Wolverhampton, Wagstaffe decided against pursuing the opportunity.

    Whilst at Blackburn Rovers on 2 October 1976, Wagstaffe was the first player in English football to receive a red card.

    Despite Wagstaffe's talent, he was never capped for England, though he was selected to play on the left wing in the Football League versus the Scottish League match at Ayresome Park, Middlesbrough, in 1972.

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    Brilliant player - put the hairs on the back of your neck up as Adama seems to now as you know that something might well happen

    Should have been capped
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    cracking idea! I am just about too young to remember waggy. However I did play him at bowls a few years ago!
    for all his footballing ability, things between him and the club certainly soured.
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    See, this is the oldies for you.

    Any voting thread "wah wah wah, this player was miles better, you're too young to remember him, it's not fair, he should be miles higher".

    Give them a platform to talk about a supposedly brilliant player - you get 29 words.
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    You have until 8pm to sort it out or I'm just going to pick someone that the forum will actually talk about.
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    Whoa hold on there, just a minute, I'm 54 , I was 10 when he left for Blackburn, things I know about him, I learn it from his book (Manuel voice)
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    Can't add anything on Waggy as he was before my time unfortunately, would have loved to have seen him play as from the few clips I've seen of him on old videos he was a proper crowd pleaser. Too many players fall into that category, it's times like these I get very jealous of Parkin
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    Waggy was my first favourite player when I started supporting Wolves, mainly cos he was a left winger and I fancied myself in that position, problem was I wasn't quick, skilful or athletic enough.
    He is still my all time favourite player, probably rose tinted specs but I don't care. One of my earliest memories is his thunderbastard against Arsenal in the 5-1 thrashing in the snow. Lied to Mcgarry about his fitness to get in the 74 League Cup team so didn't have his best game but glad he got his winners medal at Wembley.
    In my mind i always remember him as an archetypal winger, hugging the touchline and banging in crosses, which he did of course but watching archive videos of him recently was surprised to see how often he came from deep and also popped up on the right. His book is worth a read.....but I would say that wouldn't I?
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    Similarly to Paul, I can't really remember him that well as I was 11 when he left. Isn't the rumour that Revie tried to bribe him to have a poor game to assist Leeds in winning the title and he went on to play a blinder?
    I had him in a Topps football card, I know that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arklowolf View Post
    Similarly to Paul, I can't really remember him that well as I was 11 when he left. Isn't the rumour that Revie tried to bribe him to have a poor game to assist Leeds in winning the title and he went on to play a blinder?
    I had him in a Topps football card, I know that much.
    Dunno about Waggy being offered a bribe but supposedly Frank Munro was offered cash by Billy Bremner to throw the game
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    Can't believe I'm the only old git that saw Waggy play on this forum.....come on you old bastards, get your act together
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    Just googled 'wagstaffe, leeds, bribe' took me to a piece in The Mix from 2012

    https://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/forum/...ecider.163478/

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    Way before my time sadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arklowolf View Post
    Just googled 'wagstaffe, leeds, bribe' took me to a piece in The Mix from 2012

    https://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/forum/...ecider.163478/
    Interesting, only knew about Munro........mind you they didn't get the tag Dirty Leeds for nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by sycophantia View Post
    Can't believe I'm the only old git that saw Waggy play on this forum.....come on you old bastards, get your act together
    You are not - Waggy had the ability to ghost past players as if they weren't there (though not sure he was the quickest player to ever be out on the pitch) & put in a cross that just all the CF had to do was be there where it was going to arrive at
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    Waggy took third place in my young affections after The Doog and Frank Munro. He could run with the ball at his feet, shoot, usually after cutting in from the left wing, and cross accurately most often onto Doog's head. His other speciality in training, apparently, was to place the ball on the centre spot and hit it onto the crossbar as they do on Soccer AM. Apart from the UEFA Cup and 1974 League Cup finals, two games that stick in my memory are the Arsenal one in the last clip and a 4-2 win at The Hawthorns when he scored at least a couple. Doug Fraser, the usual right back, was injured or suspended so they played Johnny Kaye, normally a centre half, in his place and Wagstaffe ran rings round him. My dad said at the time, and to be honest says it every time we talk about the game, that it's a wonder Waggy didn't trip over Kaye's tongue, as it was dragging on the floor by the end of the game.

    My English teacher, a chap by the name of Sam Cullen who was a Man City fan, said he was the best player he had ever seen. Possibly this was to keep in with a class mostly full of Wolves fans. He'd seen him at City, and said that he would occasionally go to a game at Molineux just to see him.

    I'm not sure he would adapt well to today's game. He would rarely come back to defend, and despite his physical capabilities never seemed particularly fit. He liked his beer and fags as well.

    There - that's at least 200 words. OK, it took me half an hour to write, but I have lost a few brain cells by this stage of life.

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    He certainly wasn't the only player of that era to enjoy a drink and a cigarette. Frank Worthington, Stan Bowles, George Best, etc, etc. Maybe someone could compile an alcoholics eleven.

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    Roy Carroll
    Gary Charles Tony Adams Paul McGrath Ken Sansom
    Paul Merson Paul Gascoigne George Best.
    Garrincha Malcolm MacDonald Jimmy Greaves

    Decent side!
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    Wagstaffe was a superb player what a left foot, him Dougan and Richard's were lethal. No player could give him a yard because he would put a cross right on Dougans.

    I would place him as our third best wide player behind Hancock and Mullen, however that may change with Traore, if he keeps this up over the next 2 or 3 seasons, not sure he will ever match Mullen or Hancock.
    Wagstaffe was a really nice guy and incredible winger.
    As has been said he probably could have scored a few more but he really was the feed Gordon and Richards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sycophantia View Post
    Can't believe I'm the only old git that saw Waggy play on this forum.....come on you old bastards, get your act together
    Oy! Show a bit of respect. It's Mr. old bastard.
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    One that should get some debate going here, while sending DW nuclear...

    PAUL COOK

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    Cook was a very good player but lacked any pace and in an era when footballers were starting to take fitness seriously he was found wanting. Compared to other midfielders we had around the time he was at Wolves he was a pleasure to watch most of the time but occasionally looked like he really couldn't be arsed. He did buy me a pint after the annual cricket game against Milford Hall so I may be a little biased though!

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    See, I don't think he was rubbish Just people have weird memories (I mentioned the Quashie thing the other day when realistically not that many people EVER saw him play for us). The way they go on, you'd think he was a one man assist machine, playing perfectly weighted balls over to the top for Bully dozens of times a game. Nope.

    When he was on his game he was a very good second tier player (albeit you wouldn't get away with his levels of fitness these days, and there's always that left footed factor that somehow adds 10%+ to your reputation automatically). Problem is, he was only on his game about 1 in every 4 or 5 games. And there was no in between with him, he was either on a good day or absolutely appalling. May as well as have sent 10 men out. Could never be arsed doing defensive work either. And he put the ball straight out of play from a corner more than I've ever seen any other professional footballer manage.

    We did very well to get a good fee from Coventry for him - what they wanted with him I don't know, as he was never a PL player, even by the standards of the mid 90s - and replacing him with Chris Marsden (at a net profit) was a massive upgrade. Well, it should have been anyway.

    Telling that we were never really even that close to making the playoffs while he was here. We were a mediocre team with one superstar, and he didn't stand out all that much amongst the flotsam and jetsam. You'd probably make a great YouTube video of his best moments.
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    Just how good were/was/is/are (Wolves Edition)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch Wolf View Post
    See, I don't think he was rubbish Just people have weird memories (I mentioned the Quashie thing the other day when realistically not that many people EVER saw him play for us). The way they go on, you'd think he was a one man assist machine, playing perfectly weighted balls over to the top for Bully dozens of times a game. Nope.

    When he was on his game he was a very good second tier player (albeit you wouldn't get away with his levels of fitness these days, and there's always that left footed factor that somehow adds 10%+ to your reputation automatically). Problem is, he was only on his game about 1 in every 4 or 5 games. And there was no in between with him, he was either on a good day or absolutely appalling. May as well as have sent 10 men out. Could never be arsed doing defensive work either. And he put the ball straight out of play from a corner more than I've ever seen any other professional footballer manage.

    We did very well to get a good fee from Coventry for him and replacing him with Chris Marsden (at a net profit) was a massive upgrade. Well, it should have been anyway.
    Agree with every word of that. On his day Cook was fantastic, but his day was few and far between. Marsden should have been an upgrade.
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    I will say that he always seemed a good bloke and has always seemed to hold the club to his heart. I'm pleased he's making a good go of management.
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    Yeah I agree with the others, fantastic left foot and on his day was a real asset but not often enough. Couldn't or wouldn't tackle, couldn't run, bone idle and often whingeing at his team mates....I quite liked him while knowing his limitations.
    Always though MacDonald was a right footed version of him
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    Don't think McDonald quite had the same range of passing. He was better at keeping it simple though. Similar attitude in terms of strolling through games although Cookie never acted the prick in contract talks (as far as I know) and I think even at his worst wouldn't have put in as gutless a display as McDonald did vs Bristol City in his final season (don't think he ever played for us again after that).

    Was amazed that Fulham played him as their DM in the Premier League. Talk about signing your own death warrant.
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    I loved Paul Cook, but freely admit to confirmation bias. That said whenever there's a early 90s YouTube clip there's always an assist on there.

    He was a piss head, I went to Tranmere away in about 92 when we lost I think 4-3. He went off with about 20 minutes to go with a pull of some sort and was in the Mersey Clipper with his mates before we were.

    He didn't sell drugs to the youth team though so there's a thing.

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    I remember reading a match review in the Guardian that started off by saying that if Bully remained an England player, it was only a matter of time before Paul Cook joined him.

    Some great moments, but not enough of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Towner View Post
    I loved Paul Cook, but freely admit to confirmation bias. That said whenever there's a early 90s YouTube clip there's always an assist on there.

    He was a piss head, I went to Tranmere away in about 92 when we lost I think 4-3. He went off with about 20 minutes to go with a pull of some sort and was in the Mersey Clipper with his mates before we were.

    He didn't sell drugs to the youth team though so there's a thing.
    Found the game here.
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