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Wolves 1 Reading 2 - Verdict Thread

Anything lower than 8th and for me the answer is yes. There were too many times last season he was out-thought tactically and that's clearly evident this season. He's 53 now and sadly that isn't the age when you are open to new ideas. I don't quite subscribe to the "competent PE teacher" argument re last season but he had a massive advantage. Undoubtedly he has done some good things - but only things that any competent manager would have done - and like a few people I feel he is close to being out of his depth at the top end of the Championship, exactly like MM was a great Champ manager but hopelessly out of his depth in the Premiership.

Although I strongly disagree that "any" competent manager could have rescued us from our position going into last season, part of me does agree that he seems to be getting out-tactic'd at this level.
 
Anything lower than 8th and for me the answer is yes. There were too many times last season he was out-thought tactically and that's clearly evident this season. He's 53 now and sadly that isn't the age when you are open to new ideas. I don't quite subscribe to the "competent PE teacher" argument re last season but he had a massive advantage. Undoubtedly he has done some good things - but only things that any competent manager would have done - and like a few people I feel he is close to being out of his depth at the top end of the Championship, exactly like MM was a great Champ manager but hopelessly out of his depth in the Premiership.

Completely disagree with this, personally at the start of the season I thought we'd be about midtable and would have been happy to be where we are i.e. pushing for the play-offs.It was absolutely right to give the players that got us up a chance to prove they could cut it at a higher level. As it turns out I suspect that most are at their "level" now and we will need to add to the 1st team in the summer, while hopefully some of the yougsters will improve. To bin Jackett if we finish lower than 8th (or where ever really) would be disastrous imo, I don't think you can build/improve a team significantly in a season unless you have unlimited finances and even then its not guaranteed. If at the end of next season we still haven't improved, then we should start considering our coaching options.
 
Completely disagree with this, personally at the start of the season I thought we'd be about midtable and would have been happy to be where we are i.e. pushing for the play-offs.It was absolutely right to give the players that got us up a chance to prove they could cut it at a higher level. As it turns out I suspect that most are at their "level" now and we will need to add to the 1st team in the summer, while hopefully some of the yougsters will improve. To bin Jackett if we finish lower than 8th (or where ever really) would be disastrous imo, I don't think you can build/improve a team significantly in a season unless you have unlimited finances and even then its not guaranteed. If at the end of next season we still haven't improved, then we should start considering our coaching options.

This exactly for me, we've got a very young team, with youth team players (something I've wanted more of since Jamie Smith). Kenny's brought us a long way, he deserves a good chance at getting us further.
 
Who would we replace Jackett with though? I think we're building a decent team and I don't want someone to walk in and tear that up for small short term gains like most run-of-the-mill Championship managers would. To bin him could be a mammoth mistake.
 
Also, just for history's sake, remember that people were calling for Mick's head on a platter the season before we ran the Championship.
 
Who would we replace Jackett with though? I think we're building a decent team and I don't want someone to walk in and tear that up for small short term gains like most run-of-the-mill Championship managers would. To bin him could be a mammoth mistake.

Bob Bradley!

jk but srsly
 
I'm sorry but calling KJ head if we finish 9th or below is absurd and a huge risk. Who's to say that KJ is getting as much out of this squad as he can. I agree today he got it wrong and has done a few times this season but he has got it right on many occasions especially with recent games at Watford and Blackburn.
Regardless of the size of our club we are newly promoted and mid table overall should be seen as progression.
He has a young squad that he's developing which may take time and some patience.
Again if you'd have offered me 9th at the start of the season I'd have taken it.
 
Seriously? If we finish about one place below what has been our natural level for the last thirty years and that should cost the manager his job? FFS.

The jam today want to be chelsea now bunch in the ground are pissing me off to the level that I am seriously toying with not renewing, and it would appear the same types are online. How depressing.
 
To be clear I didn't mean to imply that we should be sacking him, I was just curious as to the general feeling about it.

Though I have to say this whole idea of clubs having a "natural level" doesn't make much sense to me.
 
People seem to forget that today was our first defeat in 9 games. This is a case of fans wanting success yesterday doesn't help that people keep looking at how well Brentford are doing and immediately drawing conclusions and comparisons from that.
 
Surprised by some of the comments here tbh.

Personally, had a great day because of the company. Delightful to meet PLF, see paddy for the first time in a while & a proper few conversations with deutsch, & darlo & company with their unruly funny selves!

Strange team selection for me. Too many changes in 1 go. I can only assume, as deutsch suggested, that 1 eye is on tuesday night. Golbourne being eased back in makes sense, injury or no injury. Iorfa struck me as a strange decision, as I've been very impressed with him. Sako returning was inevitable.

However, given the above, I think dropping Price was a mistake. We built a good 8 game run based on solid defensive abilities. This after a very poor November. However in that 8 game spell, some quarters have been dis-satisfied that the wins weren't 3-0 or better. Evan into midfield was seen by many (KJ included) as an option to include our forward potency. Problem is, the cost to that is it exposes us defensively.

Reading weren't (imo) the better team, but our tactics cost us today. Despite a poor start, the team looked pretty up for it. I am shocked at the dis-satisfaction with Sako, as today I thought he had a pretty good game. Repeatedly he beat more than 1 player. So much so, that it got to the stage where Reading would have 3 even 4 men on him. That meant there was space elsewhere, but we failed to exploit that.

Onto the substitutions, which were strange. Dicko comes on for Evans, who, to be honest hadn't done a great deal. OK, we're going 4-4-2. Makes sense, kinda. Reading were there for taking, & between Nouha, Afobe, Sako and RVlP we should be able to open them up. However, Edwards in a midfield 2 didn't work, left space which Reading exploited.

Henry was about to come on as they scored. KJ continued to bring him on, but also, on a whim brought Price on. Van la Parra and Edwards off. OK. Are we now 4-4-2? $-3-3? 4-5-1? Something else? I didn't know, & importantly, it appears the players didn't either.

The last 20 minutes of this confused state meant no-one knew who was supposed to be making runs. End result, too little movement, meaning we didn't create anything, bar a few opportunities we didn't make the most of. It got a bit urgent, but no end product.

Kuzsczak - looked rusty to me. Caused a bit of hearts in mouths by a poor attempt to play it out when leathering it was the right option. Great save from the free kick though.
Doherty - I don't think he's as bad as some will make out, but I don't think he offers as much as Iorfa. A strange choice.
Baath/Stearman - the one pair that was retained worked as effectively as it has for a while. That tells you a lot about why we lost today imo.
Hause - he's no Golbourne, but I didn't think he did much wrong today tbh. I didn't have a clear sight of their first though, as someone walked in front of me as it happened. However I thought he was ok. Still a CB at left back though. In time, he'll be a good CB.
McDonald - is it me, or is he afraid to shoot? I think his defensive side of his game has improved a lot. A couple of 2nd half passes nearly came off. Not great today.
Evans - doesn't work with McDonald for me. Didn't add the forward spark people were expecting. For me, Evans is a decent technical performer, & I think he should be tried in the #10 oft discussed position.
Edwards - pretty anonymous today. I like Edwards. I think there's a lot he doesn't get credit for. I also think part of his importance to the squad isn't his footballing abilities, but his experience. However, technically he isn't great. His acheivements have been through effort, not skill. He isn't a creative footballer. He isn't going to make slide rule passes to put another player in. His industry gets him on the end of others creativity. Whilst he's brilliant at that, & defending from the front, that lack of creativity is costing us in at least 3 games in every 5. He should have come off for Dicko, not Evans. These are the reasons I'd put Evans in for Edwards, retaining Price/McDonald behind.
RVlP - He's raw, with frightening pace. I'm reminded a bit of Sako when he first joined. You can see the potential. If he and the coaches put in the work, we could have a real gem here. I can understand the frustration others have with him though.
Sako - phenomenal first half. Pretty good second I thought til he was marked out of the game.
Afobe - saw glimpses of some class. Some good control, touches and vision. I firmly believe he'll become an asset the more he gets to know his team mates. I don't think he's in the same mould as Dicko, I do think he offers something different.

Rather than comment on the subs, as akin to above I don't think it was the players who lost today, as almost all were a steady 6/10 (Sako and Afobe were better), it was the tactics. KJ got this one wrong. Too many changes in one go. If you want to make the midfield more attack minded, then retain that back 4 who aren't conceding & look solid. In addition, don't go from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 then back within a 10 minute time frame.

Ref - appalling in his inconsistency. Some bizarre decisions given against us, a soft booking or 2, yet Readings holding, obstructions and time wasting all went unpunished. He also gave bad decisions against the, so it didn't cost us, but the inconsistency is unforgiveable. I am amazed at the number of poor refereeing shows I have seen this season.

That said, neither the ref, nor the players lost us the game today. And it wasn't Reading (who started time wasting around 25 mins in) either. It was KJ's initial line up, then strange substitutions.
 
Also, just for history's sake, remember that people were calling for Mick's head on a platter the season before we ran the Championship.
No he wasn't. Mick stated he had a three year plan and he achieved that plan and was backed by all during his Championship tenure.
 
No he wasn't. Mick stated he had a three year plan and he achieved that plan and was backed by all during his Championship tenure.

People definitely called for Mick to be sacked in his second season. One time I think was after we'd been beaten by Palace at home
 
People definitely called for Mick to be sacked in his second season. One time I think was after we'd been beaten by Palace at home

I never heard it. Probably another myth like Bully being booed against Notlob.
 
Surprised by some of the comments here tbh.

Personally, had a great day because of the company. Delightful to meet PLF, see paddy for the first time in a while & a proper few conversations with deutsch, & darlo & company with their unruly funny selves!

Strange team selection for me. Too many changes in 1 go. I can only assume, as deutsch suggested, that 1 eye is on tuesday night. Golbourne being eased back in makes sense, injury or no injury. Iorfa struck me as a strange decision, as I've been very impressed with him. Sako returning was inevitable.

However, given the above, I think dropping Price was a mistake. We built a good 8 game run based on solid defensive abilities. This after a very poor November. However in that 8 game spell, some quarters have been dis-satisfied that the wins weren't 3-0 or better. Evan into midfield was seen by many (KJ included) as an option to include our forward potency. Problem is, the cost to that is it exposes us defensively.

Reading weren't (imo) the better team, but our tactics cost us today. Despite a poor start, the team looked pretty up for it. I am shocked at the dis-satisfaction with Sako, as today I thought he had a pretty good game. Repeatedly he beat more than 1 player. So much so, that it got to the stage where Reading would have 3 even 4 men on him. That meant there was space elsewhere, but we failed to exploit that.

Onto the substitutions, which were strange. Dicko comes on for Evans, who, to be honest hadn't done a great deal. OK, we're going 4-4-2. Makes sense, kinda. Reading were there for taking, & between Nouha, Afobe, Sako and RVlP we should be able to open them up. However, Edwards in a midfield 2 didn't work, left space which Reading exploited.

Henry was about to come on as they scored. KJ continued to bring him on, but also, on a whim brought Price on. Van la Parra and Edwards off. OK. Are we now 4-4-2? $-3-3? 4-5-1? Something else? I didn't know, & importantly, it appears the players didn't either.

The last 20 minutes of this confused state meant no-one knew who was supposed to be making runs. End result, too little movement, meaning we didn't create anything, bar a few opportunities we didn't make the most of. It got a bit urgent, but no end product.

Kuzsczak - looked rusty to me. Caused a bit of hearts in mouths by a poor attempt to play it out when leathering it was the right option. Great save from the free kick though.
Doherty - I don't think he's as bad as some will make out, but I don't think he offers as much as Iorfa. A strange choice.
Baath/Stearman - the one pair that was retained worked as effectively as it has for a while. That tells you a lot about why we lost today imo.
Hause - he's no Golbourne, but I didn't think he did much wrong today tbh. I didn't have a clear sight of their first though, as someone walked in front of me as it happened. However I thought he was ok. Still a CB at left back though. In time, he'll be a good CB.
McDonald - is it me, or is he afraid to shoot? I think his defensive side of his game has improved a lot. A couple of 2nd half passes nearly came off. Not great today.
Evans - doesn't work with McDonald for me. Didn't add the forward spark people were expecting. For me, Evans is a decent technical performer, & I think he should be tried in the #10 oft discussed position.
Edwards - pretty anonymous today. I like Edwards. I think there's a lot he doesn't get credit for. I also think part of his importance to the squad isn't his footballing abilities, but his experience. However, technically he isn't great. His acheivements have been through effort, not skill. He isn't a creative footballer. He isn't going to make slide rule passes to put another player in. His industry gets him on the end of others creativity. Whilst he's brilliant at that, & defending from the front, that lack of creativity is costing us in at least 3 games in every 5. He should have come off for Dicko, not Evans. These are the reasons I'd put Evans in for Edwards, retaining Price/McDonald behind.
RVlP - He's raw, with frightening pace. I'm reminded a bit of Sako when he first joined. You can see the potential. If he and the coaches put in the work, we could have a real gem here. I can understand the frustration others have with him though.
Sako - phenomenal first half. Pretty good second I thought til he was marked out of the game.
Afobe - saw glimpses of some class. Some good control, touches and vision. I firmly believe he'll become an asset the more he gets to know his team mates. I don't think he's in the same mould as Dicko, I do think he offers something different.

Rather than comment on the subs, as akin to above I don't think it was the players who lost today, as almost all were a steady 6/10 (Sako and Afobe were better), it was the tactics. KJ got this one wrong. Too many changes in one go. If you want to make the midfield more attack minded, then retain that back 4 who aren't conceding & look solid. In addition, don't go from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 then back within a 10 minute time frame.

Ref - appalling in his inconsistency. Some bizarre decisions given against us, a soft booking or 2, yet Readings holding, obstructions and time wasting all went unpunished. He also gave bad decisions against the, so it didn't cost us, but the inconsistency is unforgiveable. I am amazed at the number of poor refereeing shows I have seen this season.

That said, neither the ref, nor the players lost us the game today. And it wasn't Reading (who started time wasting around 25 mins in) either. It was KJ's initial line up, then strange substitutions.

This in shovels....

poor shovel/spade jokes aside, it's a reasonable assessment. Too many changes equaling too much confusion. matched up with odd substitutions to shift the formation multiple times.
 
No he wasn't. Mick stated he had a three year plan and he achieved that plan and was backed by all during his Championship tenure.

That goes against what I've learned about that season, but it was before my time so I can't really argue.
 
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