Welcome Jose Sa

[Elephant Pyjamas]

"There have been 4 goals that i'd lay the blame (some more than others) on Sa so far:"

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Even so, even if he is at fault for all those 4, he's been more good than bad so far over the season for me.

Agreed.

 

[lemonjelly]

I don't agree with the 4 goals being his fault, but that would be a goal every 3 games, which would be very bad- can't see how there could possibly be more good.

Utd was him
Newcastle - Neves should have cleared it
Spurs - Neves gave the ball away
Palace - he is partly culpable, but after his error Semedo should have cleared it and Coady and Saiss needed to get out

this is disrespectful to neves!



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[lemonjelly]

also, 15 mins into the west ham game, a coach came round to the goal to bring Sa a water bottle. obvs subterfuge to give him some tactical info, but the message was passed on.
No idea what it was, but not sure Sa touched the ball again for an hour!

 

[WsWolf]

Spurs wasn't even a pen. Alli is a cheat.

 

[Johnny75]

Spurs wasn't even a pen. Alli is a cheat.

It was a penalty, Sa comes out and puts his hands into the path of Alli who makes sure he makes contact and falls over.

Soft but a definite pen.

 

[Tony Towner]

It's a 2021 penalty. Probably doesn't get it 25 years ago though

 

[WsWolf]

It was a penalty, Sa comes out and puts his hands into the path of Alli who makes sure he makes contact and falls over.

Soft but a definite pen.

In my opinion, Alli throws himself off course to create the collision and if he just runs like a normal human being Sa makes zero contact. The exact sort of pen we were told wouldn't be given, Alli caused the contact and Sa had actually come to a standstill before the contact.

Was done to death at the time on here though, hopefully Alli continues to rot hardly playing and then just drops back down the league's, prick.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I like the sentiment of your final paragraph.

 

[PuntsWolf]

In my opinion, Alli throws himself off course to create the collision and if he just runs like a normal human being Sa makes zero contact.

It was done to death but I can’t resist.

He didn’t change course. That’s a complete disregard for simple physics. He jumped in the air (and as a result can’t change direction) to make sure the contact would wipe him out. He could have avoided Sa but changing his course, but why would he?

Clever keepers pretend to go for it and then pull out making the player dive and look stupid. Coady did similsr against Sterling at Molineux last year.

If you rush in at speed like that and don’t win the ball your asking for trouble.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Balls. He clearly shifts his leg over to initiate contact. It’s ancient history in the season though so on we go

 

[PuntsWolf]

Balls. He clearly shifts his leg over to initiate contact. It’s ancient history in the season though so on we go

He does. But he doesn’t change direction. People making our that he actively jumped into him, he didn’t. He just jumped and carried on the same trajectory (forward momentum). Jump out of a moving car, you don’t go sideways.

Whether Dele hung a leg or jumped like a pencil he was still getting clattered.

 

[Jinky]

That’s an astonishing swing. He’s an upgrade on Rui*. No debate.

*At this stage of their respective careers.

 

[WsWolf]

It was done to death but I can’t resist.

He didn’t change course. That’s a complete disregard for simple physics. He jumped in the air (and as a result can’t change direction) to make sure the contact would wipe him out. He could have avoided Sa but changing his course, but why would he?

Clever keepers pretend to go for it and then pull out making the player dive and look stupid. Coady did similsr against Sterling at Molineux last year.

If you rush in at speed like that and don’t win the ball your asking for trouble.

He was running diagonally towards the corner flag planted his foot and pushed to his right side as he went into the air to generate contact. You can change course before you leave the ground and that change take you clattering into someone who's stood still. There was an angle which showed how much he jolted to his right after his last step.

Although I agree with the last bit, he gave Alli the chance to be a cheating little cunt.

To your point on the moving car, funnily enough 7/8 years ago me and a pal ended up having some fisticuffs on a bus and one of the other group pulled a blade, we both left the fire exit while said bus was going 30mph down the willenhall road, we didn't go forward, sidewards first and then backwards as we thudded off the tarmac.

 

[Carsy]

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That’s an astonishing swing. He’s an upgrade on Rui*. No debate.

*At this stage of their respective careers.

Always take XG with a pinch of salt, however that is a vast difference.

The most impressive change from Rui is the starting position, which allows the CBs to play further up making a press easier. Also as he’s so quick off his line it minimises our lack of pace at the back

He also comes for corners etc very well.

I loved Rui, I could only dream of a keeper like him 5 years ago. Was a great keeper for the club. I’m not ready to say Sa is an upgrade, not enough games yet as he’s in his infancy of his time here, however he most definitely is not the downgrade the majority (myself included) felt. The signs are positive currently

 

[PuntsWolf]

He was running diagonally towards the corner flag planted his foot and pushed to his right side as he went into the air to generate contact. You can change course before you leave the ground and that change take you clattering into someone who's stood still. There was an angle which showed how much he jolted to his right after his last step.

If you still think this happened then I can’t help you. The angle your referring to doesn’t show that at all. It just makes it look like it does. Again, physics.

He takes off in the direction he is already heading in. Even if he was to run normally and turn for the ball he’d have been wiped out.

Although I agree with the last bit, he gave Alli the chance to be a cheating little cunt.

Most players would do the same. He jumps in the air to sell the contact and not get hurt. Like I said above, if he plants his legs and tries to turn then he’s ripe for an ACL with the lateral contact from Sa.

 

[WsWolf]

If you still think this happened then I can’t help you. The angle your referring to doesn’t show that at all. It just makes it look like it does. Again, physics.

He takes off in the direction he is already heading in. Even if he was to run normally and turn for the ball he’d have been wiped out.


Most players would do the same. He jumps in the air to sell the contact and not get hurt. Like I said above, if he plants his legs and tries to turn then he’s ripe for an ACL with the lateral contact from Sa.

I'm no expert in physics but I'm a 14 stone bloke who has let himself go in recent years and I could easily run at full speed then with my last step propel myself to either my right or left, it's not particularly athletic to do so and exactly what Alli did, has zero to do with physics and he only needed to change course by a few inches to initiate contact that wouldn't have been occurred otherwise.

Added to the fact he took zero care with his touch as he knew he was never going to bother getting onto the ball. Its clear as soon as he saw Sa coming that regardless he was going to ensure there was contact

Most.players probably would do the same, it's rife now in the game and we do our fair share of.playacting. I'd call it out if we did it for what it is, cheating.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I'm no expert in physics but I'm a 14 stone bloke who has let himself go in recent years and I could easily run at full speed then with my last step propel myself to either my right or left, it's not particularly athletic to do so and exactly what Alli did,

He didn’t. I’m not getting the screenshots out and drawing lines to prove it . Just watch it from the gantry cam. Kicks the ball with his right foot, plants this foot and takes flight. He doesn’t jump sideways into Sa, he just doesn’t turn. If he plants his leg to turn then the contact with the ground is longer and then he gets snapped in half and ruptures his ACL.

There’s no question he was looking for it. He doesn’t turn to go after the ball as that was never his plan.

Added to the fact he took zero care with his touch as he knew he was never going to bother getting onto the ball. Its clear as soon as he saw Sa coming that regardless he was going to ensure there was contact

Yep. Which is why Sa was an idiot for giving away the pen. No need to commit

Most.players probably would do the same, it's rife now in the game and we do our fair share of.playacting. I'd call it out if we did it for what it is, cheating.

This is different to kicking some to get a pen like Ryan Fraser did. He’s getting wiped out regardless. Don’t give him the opportunity.

 

[WsWolf]

He didn’t. I’m not getting the screenshots out and drawing lines to prove it . Just watch it from the gantry cam. Kicks the ball with his right foot, plants this foot and takes flight. He doesn’t jump sideways into Sa, he just doesn’t turn. If he plants his leg to turn then the contact with the ground is longer and then he gets snapped in half and ruptures his ACL.

There’s no question he was looking for it. He doesn’t turn to go after the ball as that was never his plan.

Yep. Which is why Sa was an idiot for giving away the pen. No need to commit

This is different to kicking some to get a pen like Ryan Fraser did. He’s getting wiped out regardless. Don’t give him the opportunity.

I don't need to watch it on any TV it was right Infront of me I saw it from about 10 yards away. He didn't turn he'd touched it and was facing completely toward the corner flag and ensured contact by subtly changing cours, it's the same as Ryan Fraser did, it's just Fraser made his more obvious. We probably won't ever agree here though bar the fact it's stupid to give players the chance to go down.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I don't need to watch it on any TV it was right Infront of me I saw it from about 10 yards away.

Well now I know we won’t agree as you literally haven’t watched it back and I’ve done that about 100x (sad I know) if I combine when I had this discussion months ago and tonight to make sure I’m not talking out my arse.

He didn't turn he'd touched it and was facing completely toward the corner flag and ensured contact by subtly changing cours,

Please watch it . That does not happen! He doesn’t turn, no. The ball goes left, he goes straight on (well following his natural trajectory that momentum takes him). Don’t let the direction of the ball trick you (although it won’t as you apparently haven’t watched it).

it's the same as Ryan Fraser did, it's just Fraser made his more obvious.

It’s nothing like what Fraser did. Fraser kicked out at stationary Cav (I think). Sa is moving towards Alli and is wiping him out regardless of his antics.

We probably won't ever agree here though

Well we won’t if you don’t watch it.

I’m done anyway. The forum members will explode with all these stupid cyclical debates!

bar the fact it's stupid to give players the chance to go down.