Refereeing question

[FrankMunro-371]

you've confirmed to me that all my attempts should have been allowed to stand so i'm going to arbitrarily add a few goals to my career stats

Unfortunately the referee in those games felt otherwise...

 

[nimrod]

Unfortunately the referee in those games felt otherwise...

correct, from their lack of understanding of the game it was clear that had never played it. still, nice of the rest of us to let them participate and feel important

 

[VanWolfie]

Thank you all for your comments. They have been very informative. My point had nothing to do with Karius' abject performance, nor Klopp's managerial prowess or lack thereof. It was merely a need for a clarification of when the ball is in play. If the ball is in play once it leaves the goalie's hands (as was the call for yesterday), then I expect there to be another interpretation issued in the future. Why? Because I have never seen a goalkeeper actually holding the ball as he kicks it. It is always in the air for a split second. Consequently, when a forward makes a well-timed challenge in that actual moment that the ball is in the air before reaching the foot for a kick, it must be deemed legitimate if the ruling from yesterday is correct. Therefore the Best goal against Banks should have stood and I suspect others will now try it on. As long as the timing is right, it cannot be penalized. I foresee a lot of troubling incidents ahead! Hence the need for a further clarifying interpretation. Yesterday's incident has shown just how muddy this particular interpretation—once the ball leaves the goalie's hand, it's in play—truly is.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

If he's chucking the ball upwards to kick it then you can call a high boot. Karius basically threw it at Benzema, under shin height, when he wasn't being remotely impeded - can't even be close to an infringement.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The standard of refereeing at the World Cup has disappointed me.

Players are diving and pretending to be hurt, and are getting away with it.

Players are kicking the ball away after conceding a free kick.

Players are surrounding the referee when they disagree with his decision.

All are offences punishable by a yellow card, but how many referees have upheld the laws of the game?

Sorry but it is just not good enough.

 

[The Bear]

The surrounding of the referee is very annoying for me. Two or three players right in his face on most decisions.

 

[machin05]

I'm sure I saw the ref make the 'diving' gesture to the Argentina players as a reason for not giving the freekick. Didn't book the player for diving either!!

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I'm sure I saw the ref make the 'diving' gesture to the Argentina players as a reason for not giving the freekick. Didn't book the player for diving either!!

Indeed he did and it should have been followed by a yellow card. The pay acting and cheating is getting worse, and the authorities must sort it out. This World Cup, as many before it, is being ruined by the antics of some of the players.

 

[Tony Towner]

So Halsey admits to being bent. Well colour me shocked

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/28/...-int-spt/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

[BillyDee]

I'm not alone in thinking this, Pat Nevin and Terry Butcher out of the pundits I've heard agree, but shouldn't the VAR overturned penalty for Senegal have actually been given? It's debatable whether contact was made with the leg before the ball, but after the contact with the ball, the Colombian defender followed through and took out the standing leg. My understanding, which I am fully prepared to admit might be wrong, was that if the follow through of a tackle wiped out the standing leg then it was a foul regardless of whether the ball had been touched or not?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

If you look at the BBC website text earlier it is interesting. TV comms reckoned it was a brilliant tackle, and radio reckoned it was a definite penalty!

 

[VanWolfie]

I think this post about feigning injury should have been in this thread. It is a refereeing question coming out of the Brazil v Mexico WC game:

I just wish that FIFA would expand their view of simulation. If a player who has claimed to be very badly injured e.g., Neymar, Thiago Silva, then gets up and runs quickly and easily as both did within less than a minute of receiving treatment, then they should be yellow carded for simulation. Another incident involved Jesus but when the referee waved play on, suddenly found inordinate energy to race after the ball. It is simply cheating and should be punished as such. I also would like to see a mandatory two minutes on the sideline for any player who stops the game through injury. I hate to say it but football needs to look to rugby to see how the game flows without these serious deceptions. The game does not stop unless a player is extremely seriously injured and consequently, players there do not feign injury because the other team may score while they are shorthanded. Football ceases to be a spectacle when these simulations are tolerated by referees and the footballing authorities.

 

[lemonjelly]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46208857

 

[lemonjelly]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/get-inspired/46506154

 

[lemonjelly]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47690634

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Had an interesting idea for a bit of shit-housery whilst playing football this morning but couldn't get a definitive answer from the referee as to how it might actually play out.

One of our players played a pass that hit the referee resulting in us losing the ball, as per new rule that gave us a drop ball. So he gets the opposition the requisite 4m away and reminds them it's essentially out of bounds until I've touched it, so basically becomes a freekick with a smaller exclusion zone, but I had the thought that this could make an ideal opportunity to for time wasting in the right situation. However, not exactly sure when the ball is deemed to be in play from a drop ball, would the watch remain stopped until the ball is kicked or is it restarted as soon as it's dropped?

Would love to see the reaction if managed to see out the final moments of a 1 goal victory by standing over a deal ball with no-one allowed within 4m.

Also could build on the idea by intentionally playing the ball off the referee in order to gain the drop ball which potentially allows this time wasting.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Would be just the same as if you took forever over a goal kick, free kick or throw, surely. Yellow card and if you didn't sort your act out, a second yellow. And all the time would get added on, same as it should for any other offence that was considered time wasting...

 

[Kenny]

Surely the moment the ball bounces the game is officially restarted.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

The referee we had this morning was unsure of the legality of it but said given it's Sunday morning he'd probably just book someone for being a prick and making his life difficult.

If the ball is considered to be in play as soon as it's dropped then don't see how it could really be deemed time wasting despite the obvious nonsense of the situation.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Clock doesn't stop when it goes out for a throw, it's still technically in play. If you start dicking around and take 30 seconds to do anything (of course the opposition can't do anything, not like they can knock it out of your hands), the ref will book you and add that 30 seconds on (or he should).

Here's one though. Goal kick. You're allowed to have defenders in the box now but I think an attacker still can't enter the area until a second player has touched it after the keeper. So you have a geezer standing two yards inside the box, and the keeper rolls a pass that stops short of him, and he doesn't bother trying to play it. The ball's just sitting there, it's in play, the keeper hasn't wasted time, he's played the ball...

I suppose "ungentlemanly conduct" or whatever they call it now is a cover all for this kind of stuff.