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Carrotdude

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That Tucker kick was absolutely insane. Talk about getting your team out of jail!
In other news the Vikes finally beat the Seahawks after 7 defeats in a row!
 

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No QB or coaching staff on Earth could save the Bears, Jags, Steelers, or Jets from their horrendous offensive lines.

Why so many people continue to ignore the importance of that unit is beyond me. I don't care what anyone says, it is the most important unit in the sport. Even Peak Brady wouldn't paper over those cracks.
 

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No QB or coaching staff on Earth could save the Bears, Jags, Steelers, or Jets from their horrendous offensive lines.

Why so many people continue to ignore the importance of that unit is beyond me. I don't care what anyone says, it is the most important unit in the sport. Even Peak Brady wouldn't paper over those cracks.
Have you read the Blindside Alan?

Explains the importance of the O-line and why teams don't neglect it but find it hard to keep players for to be in it.
 

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I haven't, but it sounds like exactly the type of sport literature I'd be interested in. Cheers, bud.
 

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Pre season narrative, the Eagles aren't as bad as people think. If they can keep their Oline healthy they can be competitive. Game 4 4/5 out
 

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Fields is officially Chicago's QB1. Will make a lot of teams look mugs if he's good
 

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I don't think any team other than the Bears will look like mugs when it's all said and done.

Fields isn't even the best of his type of QB to come out of Ohio State, and none of the others made it in the NFL, either.
 

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Depends what he is. Denver, Philly, Atlanta and Carolina all QB needy teams passed on him. Then Jags, Jets and 49ers went elsewhere. No idea if he's any good, but not being Andy Dalton makes the Bears more interesting
 

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I don't watch college football so I don't invest early in the hype that these players get but year after year it keeps getting proved to me that the draft is a crap shoot and none of them are worth the hype, you may as well draw names from a hat. None of this years QB's that have started from day 1 have been particularly worthy of the hype and that goes back several years.
 

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I don't watch college football so I don't invest early in the hype that these players get but year after year it keeps getting proved to me that the draft is a crap shoot and none of them are worth the hype, you may as well draw names from a hat. None of this years QB's that have started from day 1 have been particularly worthy of the hype and that goes back several years.
Don't really agree with this where QB's are concerned. It's not always the top guy though. If you look at last year Herbert is going to be a Top 5 QB and went after Burrow and Tua. Really difficult to rate QB's in year 1 as by definition with the odd exception they were drafted by shit teams
 
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Pre season narrative, the Eagles aren't as bad as people think. If they can keep their Oline healthy they can be competitive. Game 4 4/5 out
They still moved the ball pretty well against the Chiefs defense. Problem was they couldn't stop Tyreek Hill.
 

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They still moved the ball pretty well against the Chiefs defense. Problem was they couldn't stop Tyreek Hill.
I know that's how the stat sheet looks, but wasn't really the case. They are playing with 2 deep safeties and shite linebackers which just lets teams run on them. It's all about not giving up big passing plays, but 11/12/13 play drives are fine if it gets you the touchdown. Apart from the 1 of his 3, Hill was there just to finish. You are correct though, against zero pash rush the OL held up well.
 

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Don't really agree with this where QB's are concerned. It's not always the top guy though. If you look at last year Herbert is going to be a Top 5 QB and went after Burrow and Tua. Really difficult to rate QB's in year 1 as by definition with the odd exception they were drafted by shit teams
Nail on head.

Often being the best QB coming out of college means you're drafted by a hellhole of a team. Tons of high quality QBs of fallen victim to this and never recovered. Derek Carr's older brother is one such example. Got absolutely murdered in 2002 as the expansion Texans' first pick. Never stood a chance.
 

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In a way that affirms my point then. It's all hype until they start playing - then they've little chance of succeeding.
I'll give you Herbert, even that involved a huge slice of 'luck' though. If only that doctor hadn't had punctured Taylors lung with a needle before the game!
 

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In a way that affirms my point then. It's all hype until they start playing - then they've little chance of succeeding.
I'll give you Herbert, even that involved a huge slice of 'luck' though. If only that doctor hadn't had punctured Taylors lung with a needle before the game!
You're not wrong, I just feel that too often the blame is laid wholly at the feet of the individual player.

Look, JaMarcus Russell was going to be an absolute disaster no matter where he was. But that situation was absolutely exacerbated by how much a shitshow the Raiders were at that time. Whatever teeny tiny chance Russell may have had at success was absolutely snuffed out by the team that drafted him, something he really didn't have that much control over.

Same can be said for players like Josh Rosen, the aforementioned David Carr, and basically any Cleveland QB prior to Baker Mayfield, just to call out a few.
 

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Well if the Bears had a half competent O-Line we might see him do something positive.
We all knew the problem wasn't Mitch and hopefully the blame will fall where it belongs if things go south
 
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