The Cricket Thread

[Squeak]

Is that 4 dropped catches this innings?
It will be what costs England would be all over India had those stuck.
As for the LBW shout I find those calls annoying everything about it looked out but he survives because it’s not hitting the stumps enough.

Well the alternative is that you simply rely on the umpire and he ruled it as "Not Out." I think the system is fine. It's not perfect but it has definitely added another dimension to the game and taken out some of the human error that was previously inherent. It's great when technology works in your favour, not so much when it's t'other way around.

 

[jd1981]

Well the alternative is that you simply rely on the umpire and he ruled it as "Not Out." I think the system is fine. It's not perfect but it has definitely added another dimension to the game and taken out some of the human error that was previously inherent. It's great when technology works in your favour, not so much when it's t'other way around.

No problem with technology, just don’t understand how you don’t give it out in real looked clear.

 

[Squeak]

No problem with technology, just don’t understand how you don’t give it out in real looked clear.

You have to give the umpire the benefit of doubt. The camera angle is a lot higher than the umpire's viewpoint. From his point of view, he would have had a split second to make a decision and any doubt means the benefit will go to the batsman. Atherton made the comment that you could understand the not out decision as the umpire would have seen how much the ball cut back and that there was enough doubt to think the ball may miss the stumps. The fact that it then showed it was only just clipping probably made the umpire's decision seem the right one. I totally agree with you that at first glance it looked pretty plumb but when you see the slow motion replays you see how much the ball cut back.

 

[jd1981]

You have to give the umpire the benefit of doubt. The camera angle is a lot higher than the umpire's viewpoint. From his point of view, he would have had a split second to make a decision and any doubt means the benefit will go to the batsman. Atherton made the comment that you could understand the not out decision as the umpire would have seen how much the ball cut back and that there was enough doubt to think the ball may miss the stumps. The fact that it then showed it was only just clipping probably made the umpire's decision seem the right one. I totally agree with you that at first glance it looked pretty plumb but when you see the slow motion replays you see how much the ball cut back.

Even from his stance I think it’s a decision you’d be giving out more often than not.
Sorry this attempt of short stuff from Overton is comical

 

[jd1981]

Dreadful stuff from England this morning, line and Length all wrong, giving away cheap runs and allowing India to rotate strike.
Team selection was all wrong even before Woakes injury.

 

[leedswolf]

Some shite being bowled at India's last pair...

 

[Squeak]

Crawley...

 

[Sniffer]

Bah. Pity that as they’d done well to get to 50.
We really shouldn’t have been chasing more than 250 in this final innings. Gifted them 50 odd in the first innings, should have done better having been 92 without loss in ours and the dropped catches in the 2nd.
Tough ask.

 

[jd1981]

If England lose (I think they will) they’ve only got themselves to blame.
Terrible selection especially the bowling line up.
Bowling has been pretty much what we expected all the 3 main bowlers in the second innings have economy rates of above 4.
We’ve established Overton is dreadful but unless he has a big second innings with the bat then his contribution is pitiful. 2/164 combining both inings and on a pair.
Someone needs a big daddy hundred somewhere.

 

[Del Woppio]

Been coming that.

 

[Kenny]

Great escape for Brook. Caught just in front of the rope but then carried over by Siraj for a 6.

Krishna was already celebrating his wicket as well

 

[sycophantia]

As Ive said in the past, I'm only a part time cricket fan, just England games really so my knowledge is limited. I understand the ethos of the current Englant set up but surely there has to be some element of thought going into the batting, we've got 2 days to get these runs and Brook seems to be trying to win it before tea today. It's exciting of course but it's surely only matter of (short) time before he holes out. Seems a bit arrogant to me at times.

 

[Stan Hullis]

Equally were not likely to survive trying to bat this out at 2 an over for the next 5 sessions because our players aren’t that way inclined and the Indian bowlers are good.

It’s not just about trying to get them as quickly as possible. It’s about asserting pressure back onto the bowlers so that they’re out of their rhythm, wondering where to bowl and making it easier to score runs.

Appreciate we might get out cheaply sometimes but how many times have we broken the record 4th innings run chase in the last 3 years? Much more than we ever have done before.

 

[PuntsWolf]

As Ive said in the past, I'm only a part time cricket fan, just England games really so my knowledge is limited. I understand the ethos of the current Englant set up but surely there has to be some element of thought going into the batting, we've got 2 days to get these runs and Brook seems to be trying to win it before tea today. It's exciting of course but it's surely only matter of (short) time before he holes out. Seems a bit arrogant to me at times.

Proof is in the pudding really. If he hits 100 then he is correct. If he doesn’t then we all say he’s an idiot. He’s already got away with one so arguably it’s more luck than judgment.

I find the attacking fine, but once they start setting traps then just take what’s on offer. Don’t keep trying to clear the man on the rope when you don’t need the 10 or 12 an over you might need in a white ball game.

 

[Sniffer]

I’d also add that with Brook being ultra aggressive, a few shots over the top spreads the fields. Singles and two’s are then on offer with less players in catching positions. There’s method in his perceived madness albeit extremely infuriating when he gets out early.

 

[Squeak]

I’d also add that with Brook being ultra aggressive, a few shots over the top spreads the fields. Singles and two’s are then on offer with less players in catching positions. There’s method in his perceived madness albeit extremely infuriating when he gets out early.

It's about shot selection and the game situation. A lot of the time when Brook gets out it is because of premeditation instead of playing the ball on its merits. He is a far better player when he plays within himself rather than trying to force things. He appears to have settled down now thankfully but this wicket and some good Indian bowling always means he could get out doing something daft. All that said, what a talent he is when it works!

 

[leedswolf]

Equally were not likely to survive trying to bat this out at 2 an over for the next 5 sessions because our players aren’t that way inclined and the Indian bowlers are good.

It’s not just about trying to get them as quickly as possible. It’s about asserting pressure back onto the bowlers so that they’re out of their rhythm, wondering where to bowl and making it easier to score runs.

Appreciate we might get out cheaply sometimes but how many times have we broken the record 4th innings run chase in the last 3 years? Much more than we ever have done before.

They don't have to bat at 2 an over for 5 sessions though. Equally they don't have to bat as if it's a rain affected T20 either. The key, I would have thought is about game/time at the crease management. The Aussies used to be brilliant at positive batting and putting pressure on the bowling side, but being positive didn't mean being rash.

 

[PuntsWolf]

He’s got his 100 and it’s been chanceless after the drop. They’ve just been rotating and playing controlled, the perfect way. Clearly talented so give your self chance to show it

 

[darlowolf64]

ffs Bethell, just need to keep the scoreboard ticking over

 

[PuntsWolf]

Feels harsh digging out Brook after 111, but him and root were in no danger. Didn’t need to give his wicket away and give them and opening. The worlds best carry their bat in these situations.