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Day by day, the imperfect USA that led the way loses its way. Just skimming the surface on the subject of just two people, one from Germany originally and one from France. When people with strong connections with those two countries get such treatment then...

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Someone on here said and I can't remember too, but I think about it almost every time some trump nonsense comes up. The USA has some of the brightest and most stupid people in the world
 
Fight Oligarchy speaking events with Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have had turnouts of 34,000 in Denver, 23,000 in Tucson, 12,000 in Greeley, Colorado, (population 108,000) in the last week. Hopefully, there is a groundswell of resistance to the orange buffoon and his Fascist supporters after all.

Larry Fink, CEO of Blackrock is a life long supporter of the Democratic Party and was accused by the Guardian of being guilty of destroying a large part of the Amazon forest, amongst many other things.
One side pretends they care, the other don't hide their intentions.


He also sits on the board of the World Economic Forum.

I have a lot of time for Ocasio Cortez, but she will get the same treatment as Corbyn got in the UK and will never get in to power, as her beliefs will be deemed to dangerous for the American way of life.

 
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Unfortunately Sanders has about as much say in the party's strategy as I do with the Czech gymnastics team.

And all a third party would do is split the centre/left vote up and guarantee republican victory
 
A Sanders AOC ticket which I've seen mentioned would be absolutely destroyed. Enough of the American public were convinced that Harris was a Commie
 
Its true though, the only way anyone is getting elected anywhere these days is on a vaguely right wing ticket (labour only had a majority due to the right wing split between the "Conservatives" and reform) I seriously fear for this country and Europe the next 10-20 years.
 
I don't think Bernie is suggesting he himself has a role to play if you actually bother to read it and interpret it properly. But you do you.
I was replying to Del, not you.

Tetchy bugger lately.
 
Its true though, the only way anyone is getting elected anywhere these days is on a vaguely right wing ticket (labour only had a majority due to the right wing split between the "Conservatives" and reform) I seriously fear for this country and Europe the next 10-20 years.
It's fucked now.

Look at what a supposed "left centre" government are up to!?
 
I certainly don't debate were fucked. With what Labour are currently doing I generally despair for what happens at the next election.
 
To beat the 'right wing polemic' there needs to be a plan and vision that appeals to the average voter, and also to the 'working class' that gets name-checked so often, but rarely actually considered seriously.

What plan and vision is there that can't be easily dismissed as 'woke'/commie/'radical left', and that isn't full of 19th century definitions or alienating lecturing, or predominately about fringe issues? Or that isn't just defined based on what it is against, rather than what it is for?

Genuinely would love to see one come into view sooner rather than later.
 
To beat the 'right wing polemic' there needs to be a plan and vision that appeals to the average voter, and also to the 'working class' that gets name-checked so often, but rarely actually considered seriously.

What plan and vision is there that can't be easily dismissed as 'woke'/commie/'radical left', and that isn't full of 19th century definitions or alienating lecturing, or predominately about fringe issues? Or that isn't just defined based on what it is against, rather than what it is for?

Genuinely would love to see one come into view sooner rather than later.
None. Dems have played this game since Clinton, maybe sooner. It doesn't work. As the saying goes, "respectability politics will not save you".

Any plan of substance will be labeled as "woke" or "commie" or "radical". Anything that openly asserts to undercut the current conservative episteme will be called those for as long as it sways opinion.

Anyone who shivers at Marxist jargon isn't ready for the changes necessary, anyway.
 
To beat the 'right wing polemic' there needs to be a plan and vision that appeals to the average voter, and also to the 'working class' that gets name-checked so often, but rarely actually considered seriously.

What plan and vision is there that can't be easily dismissed as 'woke'/commie/'radical left', and that isn't full of 19th century definitions or alienating lecturing, or predominately about fringe issues? Or that isn't just defined based on what it is against, rather than what it is for?

Genuinely would love to see one come into view sooner rather than later.
It's not massively different to over here and Starmer. Being less bad, is a step in the right direction
 
🤣 Apologies, my bad.

If I'm tetchy it's cos the world is a fucking shitshow and it depresses me no end. I need to have hope that people can make a change. The right wing polemic can not win. It just can't.
Mate you don't want to be getting depressed about that shit, there lies madness. All you can do is your best to affect what happens in the future.
 
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