Jeremy Corbyn

[Templeton Peck]

Just 'some' change would do, doesn't have to be fundamental.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Or just let the same old shit continue with no-one offering any hope of change. That'll work.

History is full of examples of people achieving great things by doing nothing, shrugging their shoulders and saying 'it's very complicated'.

 

[visage]

Just 'some' change would do, doesn't have to be fundamental.

And yet even that low bar was beyond the reach of Corbyn.

 

[Templeton Peck]

And yet even that low bar was beyond the reach of Corbyn.

What's Keir's excuse?

 

[Tredman]

Waiting lists have gone down by 250k since he took over. But I guess those are not important enough people to count.

 

[visage]

He hasn't punched Bibi in the face, so that doesn't count.

 

[Templeton Peck]

He hasn't punched Bibi in the face, so that doesn't count.

I'd take a heavy sigh at this point.

 

[visage]

It's frankly astonishing how people berate Starmer for not achieving as much as they'd like, while hero worshiping someone who has delivered precisely nothing.

 

[Templeton Peck]

It's frankly astonishing how people berate Starmer for not achieving as much as they'd like, while hero worshiping someone who has delivered precisely nothing.

Your bar for politicians is through the floor man! I bet you're the type who'd argue in favour of reducing his own state pension.

 

[visage]

Your bar for politicians is through the floor man! I bet you're the type who'd argue in favour of reducing his own state pension.

You hero worship someone who has delivered precisely nothing in a 40 year political career. You dont get to lecture others on having a low bar.

 

[Templeton Peck]

You hero worship someone who has delivered precisely nothing in a 40 year political career. You dont get to lecture others on having a low bar.

Never hero worshipped him. He was just the first sniff of anything vaguely left of Thatcher since 1983. He represented hope and I clung on for dear life.

 

[YoungWolf]

Basically only comes on here to defend Starmer/slag off Corbyn or defend a government that is killing thousands of innocent women and children.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Never hero worshipped him. He was just the first sniff of anything vaguely left of Thatcher since 1983. He represented hope and I clung on for dear life.

John Smith?

 

[Dire Wolf]

John Smith?

Agreed. He would have made a fine PM.

 

[visage]

Hope cannot reside in someone incapable of achieving power.

 

[visage]

Basically only comes on here to defend Starmer/slag off Corbyn or defend a government that is killing thousands of innocent women and children.

Where have I defended Israel, other than to state that they should be judged by the same standards as everyone else?

 

[YoungWolf]

Where have I defended Israel, other than to state that they should be judged by the same standards as everyone else?

well exactly:

people: what the Israeli government is doing is awful

You: but other governments do bad things too.

why is that your duty? It’s really odd, especially when you claim you aren’t pro-Israel. It can only lead people to conclude that you think there is some sort of justification for it.

Yeah we know, there are other terrible things in the world. Maybe we could dedicate more time to all of them equally but this is probably one of the most reported on and record used issues especially in the last few years, no? Hence our attention to it.

 

[Derby Wolf]

"If they hate Labour so much they should fuck off and form their own party."

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"No, not like that."

 

[Dire Wolf]

Over 400,000 people signed up. In 3 days. That'll shortly pass the combined membership of Labour and Reform. Not all will actually become members I'd imagine, but it certainly shows the desire for change is there.

I'm sure our favourite shill will come along and remind us that Corbyn is a failure and we're all hero worshipping him and it's just a bunch of 'crank lefties'.

 

[visage]

well exactly:

people: what the Israeli government is doing is awful

You: but other governments do bad things too.

why is that your duty? It’s really odd, especially when you claim you aren’t pro-Israel. It can only lead people to conclude that you think there is some sort of justification for it.

Yeah we know, there are other terrible things in the world. Maybe we could dedicate more time to all of them equally but this is probably one of the most reported on and record used issues especially in the last few years, no? Hence our attention to it.

No. A better summary of my response would be 'Why didn't you care when other governments did bad things?'

Because, to follow your reasoning, if you only seemingly care about governments doing bad things when it's Israel, it can only lead to the conclusion that your concern isn't governments doing bad things, its just a dislike of Israel.

I've mentioned previously the Chinese genocide if the Uyghur muslims. The Syrian mass murders of Palestians. Neither amassed any significant protest. Why did Palestinian and Muslims lives only start to matter when it was an Israeli finger on the trigger?

None of this absolves any party, of course. It just seems that in the eyes of some people, some genocides are more worthy of condemnation than others.