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Wilf Wolf said:
Opinions vary. I’d rather not see more and more of our countryside turned into housing estates.
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90% of the UK is rural, and we have 70 million people.

So, 50k asylum seekers a year isn't going to make any difference at all.
 
Law's Bus said:
Yes, it absolutely is. There is no reason to go on a march led by fascists if you're not a fascist, or at the very least a fascist enabler.

Having concerns is fine. Having a frank and open discussion is fine. Being right of centre is fine (if misguided IMHO). But going on a march with the 2020s equivalent of the National Front, when you know exactly who is leading it and speaking at it? Behave.
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There’s not a lot of point in continuing with this, we’ve made our views clear and it’s futile trying to get the other to respect our views.

I hope when you’re amongst friends drowning your sorrows over a pint with Farage as PM and the U.K. following the utter chaos of the USA you can reflect on what the left did to facilitate that instead of being oblivious and blaming everybody else.
 
When a society is successful, people tend to vote for centrist parties, but when social and/or economic problems arise voters look to more radical parties (left and right). Unfortunately the UK and US have little history of successful left wing radicalism (since the labour party of 1945). There is nowhere on the left for the disenfranchised masses to congregate, so the right always attracts them. The UK needs a Corbyn or a Green Party capable of articulating a message to capture some of these people.
Furthermore the UK is now firmly entrenched within the US media empire - with Rupert Murdoch to the fore. Another seemingly insurmountable problem.

I think wim fucked!
 
EpsomWolf said:
There’s not a lot of point in continuing with this, we’ve made our views clear and it’s futile trying to get the other to respect our views.

I hope when you’re amongst friends drowning your sorrows over a pint with Farage as PM and the U.K. following the utter chaos of the USA you can reflect on what the left did to facilitate that instead of being oblivious and blaming everybody else.
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Oh, so I get it. Going on a fascist march, surrounded by fascists, organised by fascists, and supporting those fascists doesn't make someone a fascist. Riiiiiight.

Next I suppose someone's going to tell me that I should "go home" because I'm not English; and neither is my wife; and god alone knows where they want my kids to "go home" to - presumably the middle of the sea somewhere half way between. And maybe I should tell a couple of close friends who are trans that they don't count as real humans. And that's without considering the massive positives that immigration and new cultures has brought us.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and goes on a duck march, then presumably it's a "concerned goose".
 
visage said:
90% of the UK is rural, and we have 70 million people.

So, 50k asylum seekers a year isn't going to make any difference at all.
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50k is a town the size of Royal Leamington Spa being added every year. Of course it makes a difference. Dismissive comments that are wrong don’t help have a sensible debate.
 
Law's Bus said:
Oh, so I get it. Going on a fascist march, surrounded by fascists, organised by fascists, and supporting those fascists doesn't make someone a fascist. Riiiiiight.

Next I suppose someone's going to tell me that I should "go home" because I'm not English; and neither is my wife; and god alone knows where they want my kids to "go home" to - presumably the middle of the sea somewhere half way between. And maybe I should tell a couple of close friends who are trans that they don't count as real humans. And that's without considering the massive positives that immigration and new cultures has brought us.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and goes on a duck march, then presumably it's a "concerned goose".
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No, you really don’t get it.

But you keep doing you, I’m not sure how you’re going to cope with what’s coming but tbh I’m beyond caring now.
 
Wilf Wolf said:
50k is a town the size of Royal Leamington Spa being added every year. Of course it makes a difference. Dismissive comments that are wrong don’t help have a sensible debate.
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If the birth rate went up by 50k in a year would you have a similar aneurysm?
 
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EpsomWolf said:
There’s not a lot of point in continuing with this, we’ve made our views clear and it’s futile trying to get the other to respect our views.

I hope when you’re amongst friends drowning your sorrows over a pint with Farage as PM and the U.K. following the utter chaos of the USA you can reflect on what the left did to facilitate that instead of being oblivious and blaming everybody else.
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Yeah. It will all be your fault Law’s!!
 
visage said:
If the birth rate went up by 50k in a year would you have a similar aneurysm?
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Lovely turn of phrase. I’d like my country to control who comes in, not be subject to the weather in the Channel determining how many people arrive here. Little bit different to worrying about birth rates.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
As someone who grew up in the 80s - in a West Midlands where multiculturalism was a default, and we've had 40 years following on of it - I have no time for discussing politics or indeed anything who think England is the exclusive preserve of white people.

They're not worth talking to.
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Going back 41 years...

 
leedswolf said:
I much preferred Cambridge Wolf...
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Yeah, you’re right Leeds, me too.

I never used to get so involved in this shit, it damaging and making me a worse person.

I don’t do SM anywhere else as it’s too toxic, TWF has always been a more balanced place for opinion sharing which is one of the many reasons I was attracted to it in the first place.

I’ll reflect on everything that’s been said and will retract a little, the direction of travel has not been good for myself at all.

You hit the mark in one powerful short sentence there, I thank you for that.
 
leedswolf said:
I much preferred Cambridge Wolf...
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what with Alan getting the rap for all the division in the States has TWF become the cause of world ills? All we need is THM to return and blame us for the brexit, that we told him would be shit, being shit.
 

Asian Dub Foundation. Comin' over here.

'If you come over here Anglo Saxons
Learn to speak the fucking language
And I do appreciate that I will now look
Like the worst kind of BBC liberal apologist idiot
If you're all sitting at home watching this dubbed into Bulgarian
Here they are coming over here
We've seen it all before haven't we? We've seen er
Ten years ago with the er, the Poles
People going ah bloody Poles, comin' over here, the bloody Poles
Coming over here being all Polish and mending everything
Coming over here fixing all the stuff we've broken, and
Are too illiterate to read the instructions for
Doing it better than us in a second language
Bloody Poles comin' over here
Bloody Poles
Coming over here
Bloody Poles
Coming over here
When I was a kid 40, 45 years ago it was the Indians weren't it?
Bloody Indians
Coming over here
Pakistanis and Indians
Coming over here
Inventing us a national cuisine
And before them in the 5th century it was the Anglo-Saxons weren't it?
BLOODY ANGLO-SAXONS!
Coming over here
From Northern Continental Europe, the Anglo-Saxons
With their inlaid jewellery
And their ship burial traditions, and their miserable epic poetry
Lif is laene
Wyrd bið ful aræd!
Swa (cwæð) eardstapa
Earfeþa gemyndig
Wraþra wælsleahta
Winemæga hryre
If you come over here Anglo-Saxons learn to speak the fucking language
Bloody Anglo-Saxons
Coming over here
And laying down the basis of our entire future language and culture
Coming over here
Coming over here
Coming over here
Coming over here
Wyrd bið ful aræd!
Swa (cwæð) eardstapa
Earfeþa gemyndig
Wraþra wælsleahta
Winemæga hryre
If you come over here Anglo-Saxons learn to speak the fucking language'
 
Law's Bus said:
Yes, it absolutely is. There is no reason to go on a march led by fascists if you're not a fascist, or at the very least a fascist enabler.

Having concerns is fine. Having a frank and open discussion is fine. Being right of centre is fine (if misguided IMHO). But going on a march with the 2020s equivalent of the National Front, when you know exactly who is leading it and speaking at it? Behave.
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Even if many or most of them aren't fascists, they are certainly aligning with them on this issue and absolutely need to be called out as useful idiots.

EpsomWolf said:
No, you really don’t get it.

But you keep doing you, I’m not sure how you’re going to cope with what’s coming but tbh I’m beyond caring now.
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Starmer repeatedly tries to engage with and appease them by being tough on immigration, but if anything it's emboldening them, not taking the wind out of their one-issue sails. It's not a matter of politics here, it's a matter of our core values. I mean in the US, UK and Germany the right is literally taking about mass deportations, even of citizens if they are deemed different. I grew up in the 70s and 80s, and that kind of talk was confined to documentaries about the Third Reich. You are unfortunately probably right about Farage or Musks favoured dog becoming the next PM, with the US already showing us how that will turn out :(
 
EdgeOfTheAlps said:
Even if many or most of them aren't fascists, they are certainly aligning with them on this issue and absolutely need to be called out as useful idiots.
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Exactly.

Let's talk about an incredibly similar "protest" that happened in London on 4 October 1936. Organised by fascists, tick. Attended by fascists, tick. Speakers, fascists like Oswald Mosley and William Joyce.

Is it "a few fascists and a bunch of people who said 'you know what, they've got some points?'" Absolutely not.
 
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