Is Vitor Pereira A Good Manager Or Should He Go?

[YoungWolf]

The only way we escape this is the board being reactive. Yet again. Showing their 'strategy' is fucking useless because no-one plans to chuck money at stuff when it inevitably goes tits up. Then repeat this several times on an annual basis to try and keep us up.

Agree with EP that it's not over yet, but eventually our luck is going to run out.

If we’re on less 6/7 points at the end of December they won’t be spending anything

 

[YoungWolf]

Of course there is a chance, you could go back to pre Lop and this time last year under GON and read exactly the same sorts of posts.

It looks fucking dismal at the moment, I'm not sugar coating that at all, but there are only 8 games gone! We are no more down than Coventry are championship champions.

Last time we knew who the key issue was though. A bit like last time, it’s hard to see who would want this job but this time the squad is so much worse that even if you find someone good it’s such a long shot

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Sadly apathy rules and it won't happen, people are so beaten down and weary from paying all that money that everyone is desperate for any light.

Are they?

 

[Tredman]

Are they?

No you're right, everyone who spends thousands on going to Wolves is desperate for us to be relegated.

 

[SSB]

If we’re on less 6/7 points at the end of December they won’t be spending anything

Going way off topic. But up until yesterday if never heard of the 6/7 craze. What the fuck is that all about!

 

[Jinky]

All I did was state that at least West Ham look shit too.

Aside from that there are 90 points left to play for and the clocks haven't even changed yet, we also managed to turn around a far worse situation last season, (and under Lop) and we do have a decent spine.

It's not optimism, it's realism, things don't look good, but there are such a vast amount of variables with so long to go.

Am I saying we will definitely stay up? No. But this place is awash with so many saying we are definitely down, and dismissing any suggestion otherwise.

That is clearly bollocks isn't it, and also very boring and shit to read.

Like you, I’ve barely posted for two weeks, what with the international break and then I was away this last weekend. I haven’t really read the forum in that time either, but from what I could see, it’s been dead.

I just think it’s more optimism than realism to think we’ll stay up. Yes, technically we still have 90 points to play for. But a team doesn’t go from not winning a game in six months to suddenly putting runs of 2-3 wins together consistently, which is what we need. We won 6 on the bounce last season which saved our skin, but we had players like Cunha, RAN, Sarabia & peak Agbadou in our 11 to help us. We don’t have that this season - we have no game changers. No one of any quality is going to come here when we’re stranded at the bottom in January. We’re done.

We are losing multiple players for AFCON at the end of the year before we’ve even had a chance to strengthen - and the squad already looks to be lacking in quality.

The promoted teams look stronger this season (two of them have already beaten us - it could be all three of them by the end of the weekend?)

I’ll also add that there’s always been this thought that a “relegation doesn’t look great on a CV” when it comes to football. That *may* be the case for a manager, but do we honestly think the likes of Joao Gomes, Andre, JSL etc won’t get their move if we go down? Course they will. They know they’ll be flogged the minute the ‘R’ is put next to our name. There’s not a single player in this squad that I can relate to or would even be arsed if they left tomorrow (apart from possibly Krejci) - so with all that said, I just can’t see how anyone can try and paint a positive picture or even make a case for us staying up, as it stands.

 

[Langers]

If we’re on less 6/7 points at the end of December they won’t be spending anything

I think they will - well, they're going to have to if they have any interest in us staying in the Premier League. Because we're worth fuck all to them if we go down.

Their recent record points to money they do spend being wasted, and it not being enough anyway, but I do think there'll be yet another last ditch attempt to keep our heads above water assuming we're very much in the shit when the window opens.

Ah - love a bit of cheery autumnal joy on a Tuesday morning.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Last time we knew who the key issue was though. A bit like last time, it’s hard to see who would want this job but this time the squad is so much worse that even if you find someone good it’s such a long shot

Did we? There would have been dozens of people saying we are definitely down regardless.

You're right the squad is weaker, but we're 2 months ahead of when GON left, we don't appear to have the have the same disunity in the squad we had under GON, RAN, Lemina and Cunha were all acting like pricks, the players are in the trenches for VP at the moment, how long that lasts i don't know.

I know I've banged on about it before, but one thing VP has definitely fucked up on is the captaincy, it's been passed around like Bonnie Blue, and I don't think that's good for unity or leadership at all.

 

[SSB]

But if you're talking about those match going fans, well i heard a large section of them who were there on Saturday singing "how shit must you be, it's only 1-0"

Yeah that's great support, and spending all that money and time to go up there and do that? Whatever floats your boat i guess, but i bet that really spurred them on.

Satuday was reminiscent of Everton away last season. Our current song repertoire is dire, so fans resorted to singing Nuno had a Dream, Si Senor, We’ve got Neves ect.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Satuday was reminiscent of Everton away last season. Our current song repertoire is dire, so fans resorted to singing Nuno had a Dream, Si Senor, We’ve got Neves ect.

Ugh, that Everton game. At least it's not that bad.

 

[YoungWolf]

Going way off topic. But up until yesterday if never heard of the 6/7 craze. What the fuck is that all about!

Ffs. I actually saw an explanation for it yesterday and it still didn’t make any sense to me

 

[slink]

He has to go and quickly if we have any chance of staying up. This squad isn’t as good as last seasons but i still maintain there’s enough in there to stay up with a competent manager especially with January still there and a chance to add some pace going forward. Even with all that we can only stay up because the league as a whole is pretty average and i think there’s some really poor approaches to the game from multiple clubs.

He’s not completely lost the plot or we wouldn’t have got close to beating Spurs and Brighton but he’s getting multiple things massively wrong during games and his team selections are crazy. He’s also lost a lot of the players, Andre, Larsen and Santi have all shown their frustrations after games now and he’s not getting the best out of Joao and all of the new lads bar Krejci. I’ve heard a couple of things and i know others on here have too and we’re starting to see that and it’s only a bit of pride keeping them going imo.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

No you're right, everyone who spends thousands on going to Wolves is desperate for us to be relegated.

Once again, that isn't what I said is it, it's the refusal/inability to see any positive at all I'm talking about.

Oh and actually, those who are singing "how shit must you be..." in the middle of a game are actively helping the opposition - money well spent that is.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Going way off topic. But up until yesterday if never heard of the 6/7 craze. What the fuck is that all about!

Yeah my daughter has been moaning about that for a while now, apparently it causes loads of disruption in classes when it starts off pretty much whenever a teacher says "six"

 

[Langers]

He has to go and quickly if we have any chance of staying up. This squad isn’t as good as last seasons but i still maintain there’s enough in there to stay up with a competent manager especially with January still there and a chance to add some pace going forward. Even with all that we can only stay up because the league as a whole is pretty average and i think there’s some really poor approaches to the game from multiple clubs.

This is sort of where I am - I don't think he's getting the most out of the squad BUT - and this is where I think it's different to previous years - I'm not sure that a more competent manager can get enough out of this lot to stay up. We'd have more of a chance, sure. But enough to actually stay up? Unsure.

I just don't think we've got a very good squad, Krejci aside, none of the new signings look capable of stepping up, we don't have any potential 'match winners' in the squad, the quality has been massively diluted over the years.

Yes, I'd make the change but I honestly don't think it will be enough. And as I said earlier, I don't have any faith in the recruitment that they'll be able to bring in players that can make an immediate impact and change games.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Another issue is that we put all our eggs in the VP basket, so we'd have no "recruitment team" if we sack VP as surely Teti would go too.

What a ridiculous situation we have got ourselves in.

 

[AndyWolves]

I don't even think we can attract anyone in January, we're a different proposition compared to other times. We had players seemingly reject us in the summer because they weren't convinced by the project, I don't see how that situation will be better in January when we're in a worse position

 

[Del Woppio]

I think the only bet is a couple of really expensive loan signings unfortunately, you'd have to be fucking mental (or out of your depth) to join us permanently right now, we look like an absolute basket case of a club

 

[WVWolf]

I think we have the worst XI in the league, along with Burnley.

That is the monumental difference to negativity from the past. We always had someone who could change a game. Our attack is woeful and I think many Wolves fans overrate our team.

We played a Sunderland side on Saturday that we probably couldn't compete with financially.

There has been a notable shift since Lopetegui's departure in the wages we pay. We used to sign players from Atletico, Sporting CP, Benfica etc. Now it's Genk, Reims and Celta Vigo. That's a simplistic take, but it sums up the decline. Meanwhile, Sunderland are getting players like Mukiele (PSG) and Xhaka (Leverkusen) and have players like Brobbey (Ajax) and Geertruida (Leipzig) on the bench.

Then, we get into the outrageous lack of balance in the squad where we don't have a senior, proven player that can beat a man and/or has genuine pace in the final third.

I had given up hope because I believed there's only one team we have the possibility of finishing above, which is Burnley. In fairness, after watching West Ham last night, you have to add them to the list, so a win on Sunday and I might be a bit more optimistic.

But, by Premier League standards, we are shit, especially in attack, and that's not changing until January no matter who is in charge.

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

Another issue is that we put all our eggs in the VP basket, so we'd have no "recruitment team" if we sack VP as surely Teti would go too.

What a ridiculous situation we have got ourselves in.

I don't think "incompetent" begins to describe the decision to hand the recruitment and squad building over to a bloke and his team who have had 10 clubs in 11 years. What was Shi thinking? Certainly not "he's got a great track record", but maybe "he can take the blame".