Is Vitor Pereira A Good Manager Or Should He Go?

[sycophantia]

I'm generally a glass half full kind of guy and will look for positives however small where I can find them. At the moment I'm struggling to see a way we stay up, yes we've found a way by changing coaches over recent times but in the cases of Lage, Lop and GON we had a core which included some genuinely quality players, I just dont see enough quality to keep us in the frame for survival atm.

 

[visage]

You can only scrimp on quality and routinely sell your best players for so long before it bites you. We've been in steady decline for three years now. Hard to see how this isnt the year where we finally succumb, regardless of who the manager is.

So on that note, might as well keep VP and save some money to give to whoever we try and get to dig us out of the championship.

Insane that Fosun think getting relegated will give them the ROI they want.

 

[Mel Evo]

Another issue is that we put all our eggs in the VP basket, so we'd have no "recruitment team" if we sack VP as surely Teti would go too.

What a ridiculous situation we have got ourselves in.

Chin up you miserable bugger

 

[Mel Evo]

You're right the squad is weaker, but we're 2 months ahead of when GON left, we don't appear to have the have the same disunity in the squad we had under GON, RAN, Lemina and Cunha were all acting like pricks, the players are in the trenches for VP at the moment, how long that lasts i don't know.

It’s a fair point to flag up how early in the season we are. Especially as it can feel like we’ve had nearly a full years worth already!

That said, and in line with what others have pretty much suggested, I think the particular problems negate the benefit of the 2 months. Leaving us practically in the same situation. Having RAN, Cunha et al last year was the hope more than the problem. It was entirely conceivable that someone could come in, flick a switch, and drive your PPG through the roof. So conceivable that it happened. That just isn’t the case this time. The best outcome as a function of playing staff and likely manager is making grinding, marginal improvements to PPG. It’s a numbers game so that just needs more time to pay off. If at all. Hence the need for change now - IMO.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The best outcome as a function of playing staff and likely manager is making grinding, marginal improvements to PPG.

This is how I think we stay up.

Someone comes in and gets us playing functional, horrible, football and we grind it out.

Perhaps they get Agbadou and Toti back to form and Krejci in midfield and we are really solid.

It's not inconceivable.

 

[1986]

This is how I think we stay up.

Someone comes in and gets us playing functional, horrible, football and we grind it out.

Perhaps they get Agbadou and Toti back to form and Krejci in midfield and we are really solid.

It's not inconceivable.

Toti has never really been a quality centre half . Agbadou's form will take far too long to recover for us to risk it .
We need Krejci at the back - whatever chance we have of staying up will quickly shift to zero if he is moved away from there .
At the same time we need creativity from somewhere - if the players are no longer playing for Vitor , then that's a large part of the reason why we are creating nothing/very little .
A breakdown in a relationship between players and management is toxic in football . The next obvious step then would be a new Head Coach .
The actions of a proper team on the field of play are essentially an extension of what the Manager is looking for . It's one unit ,not two separate groups , but that's the way it looks right now ( 2 separate groups ) .

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

They don't need to all be "quality" Prem level players though, just 4 or 5 of them. If they're organised and make good decisions then we become difficult to beat.

Obviously though, that decision v Brighton by Jackson and then that lack of concentration from Munetsi to track the run for the first goal on Saturday.

They're easily eliminated goals.

JSL is an excellent finisher, but how many chances has he had put on a plate for him this season?

 

[Leyton Wolf]

This is how I think we stay up.

Someone comes in and gets us playing functional, horrible, football and we grind it out.

Perhaps they get Agbadou and Toti back to form and Krejci in midfield and we are really solid.

It's not inconceivable.

It's not inconceivable but who that manager might be is a little inconceivable to me at least. It's sort of what Vitor did last year, got us organised and disciplined then picked up a lot of points as we had a fair bit of attacking talent. The football wasn't horrible but it was pretty functional, and scoring goals wasn't the problem under O'Neill.

It's just hard now to see where the improvement comes from in this team. I think someone could get the defence organised again but that's not going to help us with progressing the ball - without Cunha and RAN as ball carriers we have very few ways to move through the thirds.

A kind of attritional long ball might be more successful but I have my doubts that it's really workable in the Prem - and it wouldn't be because it was that much of a strength of ours, just the only option left.

I'm sure a good manager could find a way, but we're going to be shopping in the same place we found Vitor. Someone desperate to manage in the Prem who realistically has no other avenue to do so.

 

[1986]

Brendan Rogers ??

Seems fairly unhappy at Celtic .

 

[Langers]

Brendan Rogers ??

Seems fairly unhappy at Celtic .

I wouldn't have thought being here would cheer him up TBH

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Brendan Rogers ??

Seems fairly unhappy at Celtic .

Leicester fans couldn’t wait to see the back of him. I’d much rather take a punt on an up and coming manager but no idea who.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Brodge's best days are long gone now. He's also an unsettling weirdo.

 

[Wellen Wolf]

Ffs. I actually saw an explanation for it yesterday and it still didn’t make any sense to me

Wesh ;-)

 

[PuntsWolf]

The situation is way worse than last season table wise and it’s strange to think it isn’t.

Saints were hopeless, Leicester not much better despite some form of points tally that clearly wasn’t going to last and Ipswich dreadful as well.

As much as I don’t want to defend GON, it is undeniable that we had tough fixtures front loaded. Vitor has actually had a pretty favourable start. So to be 2 wins away already having played reasonable fixtures, the other teams clearly not being as bad and having a far worse squad. It is categorically a far worse situation. At the same trajectory we are going to be further than 2 wins behind 17th like we were last year after 16 games. And 17th won’t be as bad as Leicester

 

[Del Woppio]

Spot on that

 

[Jinky]

I think we have the worst XI in the league, along with Burnley.

That is the monumental difference to negativity from the past. We always had someone who could change a game. Our attack is woeful and I think many Wolves fans overrate our team.

We played a Sunderland side on Saturday that we probably couldn't compete with financially.

There has been a notable shift since Lopetegui's departure in the wages we pay. We used to sign players from Atletico, Sporting CP, Benfica etc. Now it's Genk, Reims and Celta Vigo. That's a simplistic take, but it sums up the decline. Meanwhile, Sunderland are getting players like Mukiele (PSG) and Xhaka (Leverkusen) and have players like Brobbey (Ajax) and Geertruida (Leipzig) on the bench.

Then, we get into the outrageous lack of balance in the squad where we don't have a senior, proven player that can beat a man and/or has genuine pace in the final third.

I had given up hope because I believed there's only one team we have the possibility of finishing above, which is Burnley. In fairness, after watching West Ham last night, you have to add them to the list, so a win on Sunday and I might be a bit more optimistic.

But, by Premier League standards, we are shit, especially in attack, and that's not changing until January no matter who is in charge.

Really good post.

Re; Burnley - I think they’re better than us. They have an identity and a plan under Parker. They beat Sunderland & Leeds - both of those sides have beaten us already. Man Utd needed a 97th minute penalty to win against them and likewise, Liverpool a 95th minute pen! There is absolutely no way we’d have been that competitive against those sides in our current state. They are well drilled and solid at the back. Yes on paper their side doesn’t look great, but currently, I put them down as favourites this weekend. And I’ve seen them at 3/1 in some places… got to be worth a tenner, that!

It’s about as predictable an outcome this coming weekend as can be, IMO. Burnley will get a goal in the opening 15-20 minutes (because we’re not capable of keeping things tight) and then they’ll just sit back and defend that lead for the rest of the game while we huff and puff but create very little and ultimately, fail to break them down.

Fosun, Jeff & co should be getting absolutely torn apart at the end of the match if we get nothing this weekend, but I think apathy levels are so high that most won’t be arsed and will just shuffle away from Molineux.

 

[Bertiewolf]

Sadly I'm convinced we'll lose against Burnley and many on here are in agreement that a change is required anyway.

But no-one seems to have any clear ideas about who should replace him to give us a fighting chance of survival and a better future.

I haven't got a clue! Answers on a postcard please?

 

[Mel Evo]

Answers on a postcard please?

Dear Nuno, wish you were here.*

*Feeling is not mutual

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Sadly I'm convinced we'll lose against Burnley and many on here are in agreement that a change is required anyway.

But no-one seems to have any clear ideas about who should replace him to give us a fighting chance of survival and a better future.

I haven't got a clue! Answers on a postcard please?

Jeff doesn’t seem to be a big thinker so I am going for former Porto manager Vitor Bruno…no compensation to pay and probably cheaper for name badges.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Sadly I'm convinced we'll lose against Burnley and many on here are in agreement that a change is required anyway.

But no-one seems to have any clear ideas about who should replace him to give us a fighting chance of survival and a better future.

I haven't got a clue! Answers on a postcard please?

Without wanting to go completely doom and gloom we've backed ourselves into a corner of which changing the manager isn't going to change all that much.

1) We get somebody in who can galvanise the squad and we somehow stay up, but all we do is end up in the same position next November. Fuck that.

2) We get somebody in who makes a fist of it but due to the gaps in quality within the squad we fall short and end up relegated.

3) We fuck up the decision making and go down humiliated. Either delay getting rid of Vitor impacting any new manager or don't have a plan for his replacement. Knowing Shi, both of these.