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Israel-Palestine

Del Woppio said:
Has there ever been a post that talked about Jewish people, how his did about Muslim people? You constantly conflate criticism of the IDF and the Israeli government with antisemitism. It cheapens antisemitism. It cheapens you.

Anyway I'm done getting dragged around in your poundland Nick Ferrari semantic nonsense
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Wolftone's posts were crude but he specifically mentioned Islamists, not ordinary Muslims. But his post was jumped upon, edited and the thread closed.

Comparing Nazi Germany to Israel is the kind of sneaky shit the FPO in Austria do to get around AS laws there. Not a great bedfellow to have.

Read up on Holocaust Inversion and the IHRA's working definition of AS before you say you're 'done'

Using discriminatory language and tropes isn't 'semantic nonsense', use it about any other race and see how long you last on here.

The fact your waving it away shows you're either uneducated in it, or you don't give a toss. Either way it isn't a good look, and if you (or anyone else) isn't educated in it then you shouldn't be throwing your weight around on an emotive and complex topic.
 
darlowolf64 said:
Can you point out where absolutely ANYONE has conflated Netanyahu, or the IDF with "ordinary Jews"?

It has been you who has immediately jumped to that assumption and taken any criticism as a sweeping accusation against all Jews, many of whom are equally disgusted with the actions of their government and armed forces
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Where have I spoken about 'any criticism'? I've been specifically talking about bringing the Nazi's into the conversation, and how that's a classic AS trope.

Do you think ordinary Jews are fine with the greatest psychic scar their race has being used in this way? I've literally already said it's perfectly possible to criticise contemporary Israeli policy without invoking the Nazi's. It's literally the worst example you could use for that race FFS 😅
 
prawnking said:
Wolftone's posts were crude but he specifically mentioned Islamists, not ordinary Muslims.
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I don’t think this distinction is as clear as you think it is.

Also, get off your God damned high horse about education.
 
Alan said:
I don’t think this distinction is as clear as you think it is.

Also, get off your God damned high horse about education.
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Well, 'Islamist' is used by every news network and politician to refer to fundamentalists, and to define the motivation of a related terrorist attack.

And I don't think I'll get down from my 'high horse' about this 'acceptable' discrimination any more than you do when policing how people talk about Black footballers, actually
 
The difference is massive as most of the socio-racial politics I crusade over are not about disadvantaged populations being actively killed by the tens of thousands.

Do you, but we are not the same and your horse has no legs.
 
How about a disadvantaged population being actively killed to the tune of six million?

We're certainly not the same; I have no truck with the regressive Left
 
prawnking said:
How about a disadvantaged population being actively killed to the tune of six million?
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I think that is what makes it even harder to understand why Israel are doing what they are doing in Palestine.

The people of Israel will be far more knowledgeable of the genocide that was inflicted on them than we are.
 
prawnking said:
The fact your waving it away shows you're either uneducated in it, or you don't give a toss. Either way it isn't a good look, and if you (or anyone else) isn't educated in it then you shouldn't be throwing your weight around on an emotive and complex topic.
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You contradict yourself a lot.

When talking about the facts of immigration you believe it's patronising and condescending to try and engage with those on the right.

But here, we should listen to you because you know more than everyone else.
 
The Nazi's famously the only regime in history to commit genocide or war crimes
 
prawnking said:
Wolftone's posts were crude but he specifically mentioned Islamists, not ordinary Muslims. But his post was jumped upon, edited and the thread closed.

Comparing Nazi Germany to Israel is the kind of sneaky shit the FPO in Austria do to get around AS laws there. Not a great bedfellow to have.

Read up on Holocaust Inversion and the IHRA's working definition of AS before you say you're 'done'

Using discriminatory language and tropes isn't 'semantic nonsense', use it about any other race and see how long you last on here.

The fact your waving it away shows you're either uneducated in it, or you don't give a toss. Either way it isn't a good look, and if you (or anyone else) isn't educated in it then you shouldn't be throwing your weight around on an emotive and complex topic.
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See, I actually agree with you on the importance of language especially around stereotypes and discrimination, I think there are better ways the IDF or Israeli Government can be criticised. Just like tbh I felt the Bob Vylan stuff let itself down with the death to the IDF chants.

What disappoints me (not that my opinion means that much) and contradicts yourself though is your whataboutery about WolfTone’s post, to be so trivial and dismiss about it suggests you think Islamophobia is fair game.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
You contradict yourself a lot.

When talking about the facts of immigration you believe it's patronising and condescending to try and engage with those on the right.

But here, we should listen to you because you know more than everyone else.
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Lack of nuance again here mate.

I accused you of coming at your immigration chat from a patronising and condescending position, not that's it has to inherently be that way.

It's not hard to 'know more' about AS, but most people on here don't seem that knowledgeable of or interested in it, perhaps because they believe they're the white knights and incapable of any wrong-doing themselves? Always happy to prick that bubble
 
prawnking said:
How about a disadvantaged population being actively killed to the tune of six million?

We're certainly not the same; I have no truck with the regressive Left
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The Jews in World War II were a disadvantaged population, and that is the difference.

Israel are as far from disadvantaged as it gets, and treating them as such is to give them free reign to kill who and when they want; because genocide went against them once, they can do it when they like.

It’s horrific bullshit.
 
Goodness me PK, what a post that is! :ROFLMAO:

You must be trolling by now, did you keep a straight face when typing that 1st paragraph and then following it with the 2nd?

You have the audacity to call others time wasting WUMs!
 
YoungWolf said:
See, I actually agree with you on the importance of language especially around stereotypes and discrimination, I think there are better ways the IDF or Israeli Government can be criticised. Just like tbh I felt the Bob Vylan stuff let itself down with the death to the IDF chants.

What disappoints me (not that my opinion means that much) and contradicts yourself though is your whataboutery about WolfTone’s post, to be so trivial and dismiss about it suggests you think Islamophobia is fair game.
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Ok, some common grounds for discussion at least!

What do you feel I trivialised or was dismissive about? Happy to clarify and clear up any misunderstanding.

I intended to just ask the question about why using crude tropes about Muslims (and he was specific about the human rights issues relating to Islamists rather than Muslims as a whole) gets one reaction, whereas using crude tropes about Jews gets pushback from just about everyone on this thread, is dismissed or diminished?
 
Alan said:
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
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So if you quack something I believe is AS I can call you that particular duck?

Cos you lost your shit at that particular suggestion (which no one directly made) the other night?
 
Alan said:
The Jews in World War II were a disadvantaged population, and that is the difference.

Israel are as far from disadvantaged as it gets, and treating them as such is to give them free reign to kill who and when they want; because genocide went against them once, they can do it when they like.

It’s horrific bullshit.
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So can I be racist about Obama or Kanye West because they are powerful, and slavery was a long time ago?

Or (crazy thought here), if I want to criticise them, should I just try and steer clear of anything that could be construed that way, and not just focus on things that might be racially controversial or upsetting?
 
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