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Israel-Palestine

"He that does not look cannot see"

On one occasion, he said, a guard had opened fire from a watchtower with a machine gun because a group of women, children and elderly people was moving too slowly away from the site.

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Gaza aid contractor tells BBC he saw colleagues fire on hungry Palestinians

The Israel- and US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has strongly denied the allegation.
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If only there were a word for constantly, frivolously and obsessively referring to Nazism when criticising Jews, when other examples could easily be used
 
Who's said that?

I seem to remember this very thread being closed and Wolftone's posts being declared racist just a couple of days ago?

Seems 'hurty words' (nice downplaying of AS again, not for the first time on this thread) were important then?
 
It's strange that I read a meme using Holocaust Inversion (yet again) and find it problematic and worth calling attention too?

I find it stranger that most people on this thread are only bothered about the sensitivities of select communities rather than all
 
Maybe it's a reasonable comparison? Criticising the IDF isn't anti-semetic. THAT is the attitude downplays it.

If it helps, I'd draw the same comparison to Hamas terrorists, if not even closer. Maybe if people had a caveat in their forum sigs talking about October 7th and their sorrow at the death of innocent Jewish civilians then that would make the criticism a bit softer for you? Let me know
 
So if it was an African nation whose leadership were doing the same thing as the current Jewish nation then it'd be fair game to use racist words and tropes about Black people?

Or for white people sounding off on an internet forum about what the actual definition and terms of that racism are?
 
Del Woppio said:
If it helps, I'd draw the same comparison to Hamas terrorists, if not even closer.
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So you think comparing the Nazi's to Hamas/Muslims and the Nazi's to Jews is equivalent?

Can anyone think of why that may not be the case? 🤔
 
I mean I literally said "if not even closer" in regard to the comparison of Hamas. You spend so long going down bullshit tracks of linguistic semantics, it's really quite tiresome. And nowhere near enough time being appalled at the fact that women and children are having machine guns and tanks firing at them while they queue for food.

To be clear. I haven't made the comparison to Muslims or Jews. I have made the comparison to Hamas and IDF terrorists. I would make the same comparison against a genocidal African regime. I don't understand why you want to distract yourself and others from the war crimes by focussing conversation on language.
 
Israel has spent 76 years claiming living space that wasn't theirs through a combination of murder and forced displacement. Many of their mainstream politicians see Palestinians as sub-human. Sounds very familiar to me.
 
prawnking said:
So you think comparing the Nazi's to Hamas/Muslims and the Nazi's to Jews is equivalent?

Can anyone think of why that may not be the case? 🤔
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Your priorities are upside down and inside out. You've been perfectly gaslit.
 
Del Woppio said:
I mean I literally said "if not even closer" in regard to the comparison of Hamas. You spend so long going down bullshit tracks of linguistic semantics, it's really quite tiresome. And nowhere near enough time being appalled at the fact that women and children are having machine guns and tanks firing at them while they queue for food.

To be clear. I haven't made the comparison to Muslims or Jews. I have made the comparison to Hamas and IDF terrorists. I would make the same comparison against a genocidal African regime. I don't understand why you want to distract yourself and others from the war crimes by focussing conversation on language.
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What race and religion are the IDF?

Why were people focussing on Wolftone's language on this thread the other day? According to some of you it's just a distraction from the daily war crime update?
 
Has there ever been a post that talked about Jewish people, how his did about Muslim people? You constantly conflate criticism of the IDF and the Israeli government with antisemitism. It cheapens antisemitism. It cheapens you.

Anyway I'm done getting dragged around in your poundland Nick Ferrari semantic nonsense
 
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt (I don't have to repeat it daily, just like the daily posters on this thread don't have to repeat their condemnation of Hamas?):

- I completely condemn Netanyahu and the actions of Israel's military, the 'right to defend' has long, long since passed

- I think Zionism is a stupid and dangerous idea

- I would ideally want a free Palestinian state and a state of Israel, seems sadly far away


None of that means that we lose our values in terms of how we discuss this, and considering how the most vocal on this thread are from the more (self-defined) 'progressive' left-wing of the forum, I'd have thought they would be the most conscious of avoiding anti-Semitic language or tropes, considering the past history of the Left with that particular demographic.

I'm not saying that criticising Israel is inherently AS, that's ludicrous, but it does depend on how you criticise. It's perfectly possible to criticise Israel in the strongest terms without mentioning fucking Hitler or the Nazis. Educate yourself FFS, do people not see how upsetting that can be due to the scars the ordinary Jewish community carries?

If this were anyone but the Jews, the usual suspects would be all over policing language, inference and tone, and no-one would get away with defining and watering down the discrimination to suit them.

Ordinary Jews have the right to as much respect and consideration as ordinary Muslims. Surely we can agree on that?
 
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

I’m not going to use that comparison directly but it’s not hard for me to understand why people do. Genocide is genocide.
 
prawnking said:
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt (I don't have to repeat it daily, just like the daily posters on this thread don't have to repeat their condemnation of Hamas?):

- I completely condemn Netanyahu and the actions of Israel's military, the 'right to defend' has long, long since passed

- I think Zionism is a stupid and dangerous idea

- I would ideally want a free Palestinian state and a state of Israel, seems sadly far away


None of that means that we lose our values in terms of how we discuss this, and considering how the most vocal on this thread are from the more (self-defined) 'progressive' left-wing of the forum, I'd have thought they would be the most conscious of avoiding anti-Semitic language or tropes, considering the past history of the Left with that particular demographic.

I'm not saying that criticising Israel is inherently AS, that's ludicrous, but it does depend on how you criticise. It's perfectly possible to criticise Israel in the strongest terms without mentioning fucking Hitler or the Nazis. Educate yourself FFS, do people not see how upsetting that can be due to the scars the ordinary Jewish community carries?

If this were anyone but the Jews, the usual suspects would be all over policing language, inference and tone, and no-one would get away with defining and watering down the discrimination to suit them.

Ordinary Jews have the right to as much respect and consideration as ordinary Muslims. Surely we can agree on that?
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Can you point out where absolutely ANYONE has conflated Netanyahu, or the IDF with "ordinary Jews"?

It has been you who has immediately jumped to that assumption and taken any criticism as a sweeping accusation against all Jews, many of whom are equally disgusted with the actions of their government and armed forces
 
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